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[00:00:00] Speaker A: The views and opinions expressed by the no nonsense show and its host do not necessarily reflect views consistent with political correctness or the Rare Sonnets podcast network. So to get the show started right, we want to wish any officers of the sensitivity police a heartfelt fuck you. [00:00:13] Speaker B: I just had to pour one out for my nigga. [00:00:15] Speaker A: I saw that you were pouring another. So you drank yours by yourself? [00:00:18] Speaker B: Yeah, because I was waiting on French Reggie to fix his equipment, and I just couldn't. You know, I thought it was going to be a minute, so I just got started early. [00:00:24] Speaker A: Okay. [00:00:24] Speaker B: But, I mean, I should just. You know, if we was outside, I pour a little bit out from my nigga, OJ. [00:00:29] Speaker A: Rest in peace, OJ. Oh, yeah, he died today. So, um. That sucks. [00:00:33] Speaker B: Is that. I mean, is it something in its. [00:00:36] Speaker A: How old is he? [00:00:37] Speaker B: 76. Okay, so I just wanted to talk about it just a little bit, because I was listening to some shit today, and it's like, some people don't know how to reconcile his life. [00:00:51] Speaker A: Because of the trial part? [00:00:53] Speaker B: Well, because of the Ron. No, more because of the Nicole and Ron thing. I mean, I guess that ended in trial, but it's more about the beheading of those two people. [00:01:02] Speaker A: Do we all agree he did it? Now that he's gone? Now that he's gone, he can't win any more cases for black. I don't think he does. [00:01:09] Speaker B: I believe that he did it from the beginning. Right. Like, I mean, it was just weird. Okay. His behavior immediately after. Right. Like, I mean, the Bruno Molly's. I mean, there was. There was a lot of evidence, right, Bruno Molly. Like, his shoes, the shoe prints that he, you know, and those are that Spencer shoe. There was a lot of evidence that indicated. [00:01:30] Speaker A: But the gloves in fit, bro, because. [00:01:32] Speaker B: He didn't take his meds, bro. He let his hands swell up. [00:01:35] Speaker A: What? [00:01:35] Speaker B: Man, that's a great. That's a great defense team that knew that. Like, listen, don't take your. Don't take your gout medicine or your arthritis medicine. Your hands are gonna swell up. This is a blood soaked glove. So it's got, like, gotten, you know, tight because of. It's been. It was soaked in some sort of wetness, and now it shrunk a little bit. [00:01:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:01:55] Speaker B: Don't. Don't. Don't put that on there. [00:01:56] Speaker A: Do you think there are unexplainable crimes that ain't one? Do you think that there are? [00:02:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:02] Speaker A: Okay, so it's potent. There's possibility that someone did it, and we don't know who they are they've never come forward. Or maybe there was some police involvement. Who knows what she was into or what the other guy was into. There is a possibility that OJ didn't actually do it though, right? [00:02:32] Speaker B: You are listening to the no nonsense show. 10% less bullshit than any other podcast, guaranteed. [00:02:39] Speaker A: Are you just like 100%? [00:02:41] Speaker B: I'm pretty clear. I'm thinking 100%. Yeah, I'm gonna say 99. I'm gonna say 99. [00:02:49] Speaker A: What about you? [00:02:49] Speaker B: I'm gonna go 99. [00:02:50] Speaker A: Were you alive? I was not alive at all, but I've watched the people versus. [00:02:53] Speaker B: Hold up. You weren't alive in 94? [00:02:56] Speaker A: He was. I was a baby. Oh, no. Yeah, he was just. I was born at the end of 94 too. [00:03:00] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. So you might not have been alive. [00:03:03] Speaker A: Wait a minute, you weren't born in 94? Yeah, no. [00:03:05] Speaker B: So this is in July. So you weren't born? [00:03:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I wasn't born yet. You weren't even born. [00:03:09] Speaker B: It was 30 years. 30 years ago. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Now, like, for me, like, I was like, growing up, I thought just like Jimmy Mack. Oh, he had to do it. But because of what was going on with the racism in America at the time, you know, shit like that. But when I watched the people versus OJ, I remember from one of it, they said that he had no defensive wounds, but the homeboy that died had, like, looked like he was in a fight. I was like, well, if he has no defensive wounds, good points. Good point, French. He didn't do it. Good point, French. You can't not get beat up when you're killing somebody. He had nothing. What? You can't not get some kind of something when you're killing two people. Yeah, he had. [00:03:50] Speaker B: Come on, man, you don't have to get hit. [00:03:51] Speaker A: He didn't snipe them. He killed the person. [00:03:53] Speaker B: He jumped out the bushes like a real nutritionist. [00:03:55] Speaker A: I think he saw the murder, but I don't think he did it. You think he saw the what? I think he walked, like, not witness. My bad. I said the wrong word. I think he came in. I think he. After the killing happened, I think he was the first thing that came in. And then he said. Why do you think that? Cause the way he panicked driving on the Bronco, all that. [00:04:11] Speaker B: Listen, wait a minute. [00:04:12] Speaker A: No, no, the Bronco was later. That was a different day, right? [00:04:14] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a different day, but he disappeared immediately. [00:04:16] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. [00:04:18] Speaker B: You know, he disappeared immediately, and then when he reappeared, it was in the Bronco like he couldn't find this nigga. And then when they did find this nigga, he was on the 101 or the ten, I don't remember which one. This nigga was fucking just driving. [00:04:31] Speaker A: Here's what I know. There's a lot of stuff that I don't know. And when it comes to. That's what I know. I know that there's a lot of stuff that I don't know. And when it comes to those like rich elite families and stuff that they got this behind the scenes connections going on and stuff, which somehow OJ got itself into. I mean, I think it was just because white people loved him. Cause he was. [00:04:53] Speaker B: Oh yeah, white people loved him. [00:04:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:55] Speaker B: Even Chris. [00:04:56] Speaker A: Yeah. So he was in some crazy circles. [00:04:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:59] Speaker A: He wasn't in normal black people's circles. [00:05:01] Speaker B: No. So he almost didn't consider he was into the point where he was almost not considering himself black. [00:05:07] Speaker A: Well, he didn't. Right? Yeah. You said I'm OJ. Yeah, emoji. Get it? I got it. However him being tied into all that craziness, it could easily have been some other stuff. They was trying to him him up for something that he didn't, what he wasn't gonna go along with or what. Like there's so many things and I mean, it'll take a while for us to find out, but I'm sure that within the next ten or so years we're gonna get it. We're gonna know whether or not he actually did it. [00:05:28] Speaker B: I don't think you run. [00:05:30] Speaker A: It's written in a diary somewhere. [00:05:32] Speaker B: No, I don't know about that, I don't think. You think. You think Chloe's gonna tell? [00:05:35] Speaker A: I don't think she knows. I think this is above their pay grade. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Chloe, you know that's his daughter, right? [00:05:41] Speaker A: I think that's all. Above all of their pay grades. I don't think any of them know. Now maybe Chris, right? [00:05:45] Speaker B: Chris might know. Cause again, I think they was doing that freaky shit and that's how you get Chloe, right? Like, I think that's, that's. [00:05:52] Speaker A: I think that's just like Chloe would be a little bit blacker all. [00:05:55] Speaker B: Have you seen his other kids? Yeah, before she went full like plastic surgeon. Let me do my Kim Kardashian. You know, by numbers. Fucking shit. She looked more like an OJ kid. [00:06:08] Speaker A: Cuz she was tall and big. [00:06:09] Speaker B: Fuck tall and big. Look at the whole everything about them. If you looked at OJ's kids, especially the females, she looked like more like their sister than she did Kim and Courtney's. [00:06:20] Speaker A: Yeah. And she is the middle one. Look at all the characters in their lives. Like, look at the peripherals. [00:06:25] Speaker B: Mama's baby, daddy's baby. [00:06:26] Speaker A: Look at all the peripheral people, right? Talking about the Kardashians, all of them, they're just a bunch of weirdos around there. [00:06:32] Speaker B: So, I mean, especially was it. [00:06:34] Speaker A: But what kind of things you think they'll be? Kato killed like that. [00:06:37] Speaker B: Kato, Kato, the house. [00:06:38] Speaker A: What do you think? What now? What kind of things they're into for wanting to have Nicole murder like that? No idea. Like, I don't even pretend to know what crazy shit those people are into, but they have all kind of rituals and shit that keeps getting exposed. With all the different celebrities that keep. [00:06:53] Speaker B: It could just be simple jealousy, man. People get jealous and, you know, jealous. [00:06:57] Speaker A: Rages, I guess, but I just. You think that he was just jealous about her with him. [00:07:02] Speaker B: If you think you have ownership, right? [00:07:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:05] Speaker B: And this is your shit. And you are OJ. You're right. And you losing to a waiter nigga. Yeah, a nigga that's a waiter. [00:07:15] Speaker A: Right. And so you think that OJ, with everything he has to lose, like, you know what, fuck it all. I'm just gonna kill both of them. Listen, it was my bare hand. I'm not gonna hire nobody, I'm not getting nobody. [00:07:24] Speaker B: Before this ever happened, there was already incidences of fucking domestic violence. Where they had been called, where he had been fucking her up. So, yeah, I think, yeah, he, he's like, listen, I'll fuck you up. And it went from I'll fuck you up to I'll fuck you and your dude up. Like, if I'm fucking you up and your dude wanna step, this little waiter ass nigga wanna step to OJ, like, I will kill both of y'all. Like, in not think twice about it. [00:07:49] Speaker A: If that's the truth, then he's weak. But if that's not the truth, which I don't, I don't know. There's so many variables that make more sense than somebody getting mad enough to kill his girl and some waiter nigga, like, and you're OJ. That's ridiculous. [00:08:03] Speaker B: The nigga was found liable civilly, right? Like, so I don't know shit. I mean, the burden of proof in. [00:08:10] Speaker A: A civil case is so low. It's not the same at all. Criminal cases have to be without, what is it? Beyond reasonable doubt, right? Civil cases don't require any of that. [00:08:21] Speaker B: Listen, all I know too, though, right, is that okay if you didn't the way that this nigga played after he got off. [00:08:32] Speaker A: Now, see, that's his ego, though. That's what makes me know he didn't do it. That what? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's way too braggadocious. That lets me know. So he wrote a book called I didn't do it, but if I did or some shit. Come on, man. [00:08:41] Speaker B: You, bro, listen. I'm telling you, because you can't double Jerry. [00:08:44] Speaker A: No one is that oblivious, bro. [00:08:46] Speaker B: Even if you're. If you're a fucking. If you're this dude, right? Again, I'm OJ, right? This nigga's not even a race. I'm OJ, nigga. Like, I'm. I'm above it all. I'm that dude. I'm in a fuck. Like you said, how he got into the circles he got into. He's different. Like, he. OJ was that 2000 yard rusher, you know? I mean, like, wasn't he, like. No, I think Jim Brown was the first one. [00:09:09] Speaker A: Right? Probably Jim Brown came before him. Yeah. [00:09:11] Speaker B: But I don't know if Jim Brown actually got it, but I think he maybe did. But I know OJ did it, right? I mean, OJ was that dude starting at USC, right? So that's a. He's around an elitist type of company, right? Like, he went to an elitist type college, then he goes to the NFL and he's the. The man, right? Right. And now he's, you know, he's a advertising mogul. We. I mean, we think of niggas like Shaq and these other niggas that pit shit. Now, that was fucking OJ before there was anyone else. As far as the black community was concerned, OJ was that dude that crossed over through and everybody loved him. Black people loved him, white people loved him. You know, I mean, he was in the motherfucking naked gun shit like this nigga was. He was winning all over. [00:09:58] Speaker A: So you think that guy who has access to anything he wants is gonna be the nigga that puts his hands on somebody? [00:10:05] Speaker B: He already did. [00:10:06] Speaker A: Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. [00:10:07] Speaker B: He was already putting hands on. [00:10:08] Speaker A: He already approved. He was that dude. No, he wasn't. He was just a beat up nigga. That's not the same thing. That's not the same thing as putting two people down. I don't think a nigga with that much juice, pun intended, kills somebody. He gets somebody killed. You don't have to. The circles you're in, it's a nothing decision. It's a snap of a finger decision. You got enough money, you have exposure to the kinds of people who are in these circles who can make people disappear. You don't kill that person yourself. This ain't about clout. This is about, yo, I want you going. [00:10:37] Speaker B: See, now you're making me just. I think back and I just wish that the LAPD wasn't as crooked as they were. [00:10:44] Speaker A: Exactly. We'll never know because of them. [00:10:46] Speaker B: Right, right. Cause they fucked up the whole game. Like, they made it so that no one really knows because they wanted to do too much. [00:10:54] Speaker A: And that's why I feel like he didn't do it. Because the way he, like, Beyonce was his ego, that's one thing. But he talks like someone that tried to set him up, and he. Because he won. And now he's just trolling the fuck out of that, which is also possible. That'd be funny as fuck if we found out that somebody did it and put try to pin on him. And his whole life he was dedicated to just trolling those motherfuckers. That's hilarious. [00:11:16] Speaker B: I mean, but it's fucked up because again, like, you know what I mean? Today, nobody wants to talk about his accomplishments, right? Like, it's not accomplishment he did before all of that. Like I was saying, there's a lot that this motherfucker had done right, and achieved and was achieving, and who knew where he was gonna go from there until this happened? [00:11:40] Speaker A: So, look, you murder two people, right? [00:11:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:42] Speaker A: First thing you do is get is hide. [00:11:45] Speaker B: Yep. [00:11:45] Speaker A: Okay. You don't stop hiding, my nigga, man, you can't. [00:11:49] Speaker B: If you. That nigga, you can't hide forever. [00:11:51] Speaker A: No, no, no. After that was all over with. After thing, he didn't hide then either. He didn't. He didn't stay in it even after he got acquitted and it was all over. [00:12:00] Speaker B: Once I get acquitted, where I go, what do I need to hide for, cuz? Cuz, he can't double j. Can't double jeopardy me. [00:12:04] Speaker A: Nah, if you really did it, my nigga, I'm just thinking like a sensible person. Maybe Oj's not. [00:12:08] Speaker B: Nah, you're not thinking like a sociopath really did it. [00:12:12] Speaker A: You're calling him something that he may not be. You're just assuming that he is that. [00:12:16] Speaker B: I'm just saying that. [00:12:17] Speaker A: And what I'm saying is there's no proof that he is. His mental results have not shown he's a sociopath or a megalomaniac or any of that stuff. There's never been a study done on whether or not he's insane. Or he's a psychopath. So you're just giving him that label. No one else has, no doctor of the brain has ever said that about OJ. [00:12:36] Speaker B: Well, this is my thing. The person that does Merc two people. [00:12:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:42] Speaker B: Is a sociopath. Right? [00:12:43] Speaker A: Like you don't know that he did. [00:12:45] Speaker B: No, I mean, I don't. I said 99. [00:12:48] Speaker A: You say somebody that Mercs two people is automatically a social path. Or was, you said off rage, like he just got jealous and could control himself again. [00:12:56] Speaker B: I think it's the response, right? Like, to it, you know? I mean, it's like the people that can do that shit and then go, you know, have, you know, go to their kids recital or do you know what I mean? It's like nothing ever happened, right? Like they can disassociate themselves or from. [00:13:11] Speaker A: The act if you're a very immature person, which I'm sure OJ has the potential of being because of how he grew up and because of how many accolades he got growing up. And he's the man, you're this, you're that. He might be very, very immature. His development may have been arrested at some point, right? So how does a person who's immature react to a false statements or false claims? They go out there and they high sign. They're always showing, hey, man, I'm out here partying, I'm jamming. You know, I didn't do this shit. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna double down on everything else because I'm immature. Now that makes sense too. I'm not saying that you're wrong and I'm right, I'm just saying the things that you're labeling him as a sociopath for are also true of someone who's immature and who just, I don't know how to react. So instead, I'm not gonna go high and everybody thinks I did it. Cause I know I didn't do this shit. I'm gonna be out here and be in the streets and making jokes and I'm gonna write a book called if I did it, I didn't do it, but if I did, that's just immature, though. I don't know if that's a sociopath because a sociopath would have shown something else, would have done something else. And I don't consider him going to get his shit out that hotel being a sociopath. No, no, no, they just got him on some dumb shit. Yeah, no, those people deserve to get they fucking ass whooped. [00:14:17] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that's for sure. And I think that that was. [00:14:20] Speaker A: That they just found a way to get him. [00:14:22] Speaker B: They found nine years too, right? [00:14:24] Speaker A: He did nine years. They found a way to get him, so they did. That wasn't sociopathic. [00:14:27] Speaker B: No, that was. That was just. [00:14:29] Speaker A: That's the only thing he's ever done after this accusation. [00:14:32] Speaker B: But it is another example of a. [00:14:36] Speaker A: Getting your shit back. [00:14:37] Speaker B: No, no, no, listen. Hold up, bro. It's another example of a anger management issue. Like a deficiency. Like he couldn't control himself in that moment. [00:14:49] Speaker A: Sounds like immaturity too, right? [00:14:50] Speaker B: No, I get it, I get it. But immature people, like most of the motherfuckers committing crimes, especially murder, are young people. They're immature people. [00:14:58] Speaker A: Maybe some, yes, but sociopath and immature are different things. A person who commits a murder because they're immature is not the same person who commits a sociopathic murder necessarily. They could be immature and sociopathic, but your label of sociopathic is what I'm saying. I don't know that that's actually accurate. [00:15:17] Speaker B: No, because it was only his disassociation and kind of like playing with it. Because again, in reality, whether you did it or you didn't do it, that ain't nothing to play with. That's not, that's not. You don't. You don't play like that unless somebody. [00:15:34] Speaker A: Unless it's you. Because if it's fuck me, then it's fuck you. If y'all really think I did this and it's fuck y'all, I'm talking about an immature person. [00:15:42] Speaker B: No, no, no, we're not talking about immature. We're talking about I might be more sociopathic than immature. So. So, so I don't know if that's a good example. [00:15:54] Speaker A: Rest in peace, OJ though. Shout out to Cam and mace though. Cause I think Cam and Mace on their show. It is what it is. Who? Cam and Mace. Cameron and Mace. [00:16:02] Speaker B: Okay. At first I thought you were saying Kim. [00:16:04] Speaker A: Oh, OJ was like a consistent guest speaker to talk football and he provided his football intel on that show. So the last images of OJ was a good. Nobody gives a fuck what OJ has to say about football. [00:16:18] Speaker B: Sorry, not again. [00:16:20] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. He was killing it. When. What was his stats? French in football? Yeah, tell me, tell me what team he played for. What were his stats? 49 ers in the bills. [00:16:29] Speaker B: You went way wrong. Like the fact that you said the 49 er. [00:16:34] Speaker A: He's a big 49 ers fan. [00:16:36] Speaker B: Maybe he is, but he's. He's a buffalo bill by, like, that's. [00:16:40] Speaker A: That's what. People know him. So where his stats. Give me some of his stats. Um. You don't know? Nigga just. I know he broke a lot of russian records. Which records? For the season? Christian McCaffrey just beat it this past season, and they want to celebrate it. They didn't want to. So that's one that you saw on tv this year. What other records do you know about besides the one you heard about when you watched the game this year? Exactly. French. Because what I'm saying is nobody really, honestly, and this is honest, in my generation, nobody knows about OJ's football. [00:17:09] Speaker B: Right. [00:17:10] Speaker A: We saw him in the hurts commercial, and we saw him in naked gun, and then we found out that he potentially murdered two people. [00:17:18] Speaker B: And he was a sideline reporter, dude. Right? [00:17:19] Speaker A: Like, he. Nobody. No, nobody my age knows that. [00:17:21] Speaker B: Yeah, he was a young. [00:17:22] Speaker A: You might have got the tail end of that. Yeah, nobody my age fucking ever saw an OJ game, ever. [00:17:27] Speaker B: He was the mad Rashad before. A mad Rashad. He was that guy that was on the sideline talking. [00:17:33] Speaker A: He's saying that shit like, people know where Mohra Shah is. No, all I was just saying is niggas definitely don't know who. [00:17:40] Speaker B: All I was saying. That's Felicia's husband. [00:17:42] Speaker A: Felicia's husband. Right. Nobody knows Omari's side. All I was saying is he played football, too. [00:17:47] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I know for sure because. [00:17:50] Speaker A: He was on that show. That was the last. The Cameron may show. Okay. That was the last image of him. That's what I'm saying. And then he died recently. He died. I just feel like he was far too vocal and far too out in front after doing for this to be just a shoe. Like a. We know he's the murderer. I don't think that that's the behavior of a guilty person. He's out in clubs partying with more. [00:18:14] Speaker B: White girls, but that's all after the acquittal. [00:18:17] Speaker A: Nah, nah, but I don't care about that. [00:18:20] Speaker B: Like, once you get off, you're free. [00:18:21] Speaker A: They can't come touch you. That's untouchable. Don't you understand that? Nobody fucking knew OJ before the trial. Not really. Yes, he was a football player. Yes, he records, but nobody knew about those records. Nobody gave a shit about those records for some reason. He's like the under. Under, uh. He's like the underdog of records. Nobody ever said his name prior to the trial that he wasn't a. Nobody thought of him when they're thinking of the great running backs. You know what number on the top five list he would be? Not top five. Nobody would have said juice in the top five. When I was young, they wouldn't have. As I got a little older. We're talking about, like, Emmett Smith. He's not. He doesn't compare to Emmett Smith as far as popularity until you start talking about murder or some crazy shit and then his name pops up. So my point is, is that he wasn't that popular. [00:19:18] Speaker B: How are you gonna say that if. [00:19:19] Speaker A: He was the guy in all the commercials? Yeah. [00:19:21] Speaker B: I don't believe he was in one. [00:19:22] Speaker A: Commercial and he was in a movie series. That's how we knew of OJ. And then when we asked our parents, hey, who was that guy? Oh, he was a running back. He played blah, blah, blah. Then you might get, no, my age group did not know OJ like that. You gotta think of that time too. The popularity thing. It would have take a lot. [00:19:39] Speaker B: But no, but again, I think that he had records already. Like, he. So if anybody that was doing something in sports, as far as the NFL at that time, they were chasing that nigga. [00:19:48] Speaker A: Nah, man. I don't want nobody saying his name. They were saying Walter Payton's name, you know? [00:19:52] Speaker B: Listen, Walter Payton didn't even have as many yards as him, so. Listen. [00:19:55] Speaker A: But Walter Payton is looked at as being a better running back than him in through all time. Right? Okay. [00:19:59] Speaker B: At that point where people put Walter. [00:20:01] Speaker A: Payton in their top five, nobody puts OJ in their top five because he's a killer. Then they didn't. Back when I was young, they didn't. In my teens, they didn't know OJ was not a name. He was not a name. [00:20:12] Speaker B: I don't know. Maybe that's how it is. [00:20:13] Speaker A: Not in football. He was popular. That could be a regional thing. The culture knew. Yeah, that's USC in Atlanta, nobody fucking said OJ in their top five. Do you, did you know a lot of people that said OJ in their top five when you're growing up? Oh, yeah. I didn't. Yeah. [00:20:26] Speaker B: I mean, for sure. Because again, Earl Campbell. No, Walter. [00:20:32] Speaker A: I'm talking about what people would say then. [00:20:35] Speaker B: Nobody. [00:20:35] Speaker A: Right. Nobody's talking about Earl Camellia. [00:20:37] Speaker B: He was like number two on the all time rushing list. [00:20:40] Speaker A: Yeah, but he wasn't number two on anybody's list. Just those lists. [00:20:45] Speaker B: Okay, so he just got a record that Christian McCaffrey just now broke last year. [00:20:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:49] Speaker B: Like this nigga. [00:20:50] Speaker A: He. [00:20:51] Speaker B: So he went over. [00:20:52] Speaker A: How many times have you heard that record brought up on tv before Christian McCaffrey broke, they didn't even bring it up because it was an OJ record. [00:20:58] Speaker B: Because he murdered niggas. That's why they trying to wash him out of history, my nigga. But before he was that, he was a fucking media darling. Like he was. So again, I know, and I know that you're saying that that's not football, but his football accolades already has spoke for themselves. Like this nigga was the only other nigga besides Jim Brown to have a 2000 yard rushing rank on what team? [00:21:21] Speaker A: And who gives a fuck about the team? Okay? [00:21:22] Speaker B: The team, right? That's the problem. The team was never seen. [00:21:26] Speaker A: I'm not saying it's his fault. I'm just saying prior to the trial, he wasn't on the tip of everybody's tongue. Right. Well, whether you think he was a. [00:21:32] Speaker B: Record getter or not, he was no different really in that aspect than Barry Sanders. [00:21:36] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:21:37] Speaker B: But niggas still give. Everybody still thinks Barry Sanders one of the greatest. [00:21:40] Speaker A: No, they don't. Come on, niggas be hating on the like, I don't think that anybody. Well, not anybody. I don't think most people give the credit to Barry Sanders. And it's 100% because of the team he was on. And like, he retired early and it was like he never won a championship. [00:21:57] Speaker B: But that nigga was Barry. Sad if you. [00:21:59] Speaker A: I mean, again, I'm not saying OJ wasn't the man. Remember my argument, right? Nobody called him the man. [00:22:05] Speaker B: So if you were to come to me as a teenager, just as a sports person, right? You're talking. You want to talk football to me? [00:22:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:12] Speaker B: And you tell me that you don't think that Barry Sanders is top five running back of all time. [00:22:19] Speaker A: Barry Sanders is absolutely in my top. He's probably number one, right? [00:22:23] Speaker B: I'm not fucking with you, right? I'm not. I'm not you. I don't even want to hear anything else you gotta say about. [00:22:28] Speaker A: But I've never said OJ was in my top five. And neither have you. You never said that in your life back then. In your life, you've never said that. [00:22:35] Speaker B: He was definitely a top five. Because there was no Emmett, there was no fucking Barry. [00:22:40] Speaker A: What year we talking about? [00:22:41] Speaker B: I don't know. Like in the fucking early nineties. [00:22:44] Speaker A: I can never prove that. But I don't believe you. I could never prove that you. I can never prove that. I have never once heard OJ in the top anybody's top five ever. Not even Ahmad Rashad's. [00:22:58] Speaker B: Hey, man, let's take it. Can we take a shot to OJ? [00:23:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Cause we gotta shout out to OJ, and then we gotta talk about the top three. [00:23:03] Speaker B: Yeah, now that we got past. [00:23:06] Speaker A: Oh, dang. That nigga. He didn't even acknowledge you. That was a personal toast. He did. [00:23:13] Speaker B: He turned his back and everything. Like, what? I'm under. [00:23:18] Speaker A: He's like, it's on me. King Golly. Okay. Yes. [00:23:23] Speaker B: That's the big three. It's big me. [00:23:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Shout out to OJ, man. Rest in peace. Big three. Which big three? Celtics. Big three. Ray Allen. Kg Paul. [00:23:33] Speaker B: What you talking about? Kendrick, Drake. [00:23:35] Speaker A: And there's no big three no more. It's just two of the. It's just a big two. How dare you say that? You're. [00:23:40] Speaker B: What's the big two? [00:23:41] Speaker A: Hold on. One number. Drake and Kendrick. Whoa, whoa, whoa. So who's your favorite rapper? Jermaine. [00:23:47] Speaker B: Wow. [00:23:48] Speaker A: Why you call this nigga's government name? I gotta call him by his government. Why is he not in the top three anymore? He put himself out. [00:23:53] Speaker B: But you think, no, he did not. [00:23:54] Speaker A: Yes, he did. By apologizing, he put himself out. [00:23:57] Speaker B: See, this is the. You know, and this is the funny thing, man, because it's all you young motherfuckers, right, is that I've been hearing this shit from everybody that I've heard that is like, oh, that's fucking weak. This, that. And the other is being a young nigga, right? Like. Or a young chick, right? [00:24:14] Speaker A: Like. [00:24:14] Speaker B: And I'm like, listen, I'm at an age and understanding in my life that you gotta do what fucking is about you, right? Like, this is your life, and this is this nigga's life. And this nigga's spirit didn't feel right. Like, he's J. Cole. [00:24:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:32] Speaker B: Like, he. And he already said it. Like, even if you listen to seven minute drill, he's like, listen, I'm on some peace shit, but if you want it, nigga. Like, I'll give it to you. Like, this is not really what I want to do, but I will do it, and I can do it if you fucking want to, if you want to do it. And I just understand that, you know, peer pressure, right? Like, it happens, man. You know what I mean? Motherfuckers is egging you on. Like, oh, you ain't gonna let that motherfucking talk to you like that, man. Come on, man. You do something. Do something. You gonna let that nigga talk about. [00:25:01] Speaker A: Your girl like that? [00:25:02] Speaker B: You gonna let this thing. And I've seen it many times growing up where that fucking chirping from the auxiliary fucking crowd is what gets motherfuckers amped up to do shit that's outside of their nature. [00:25:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:16] Speaker B: And I'm telling you right now, where Kendrick. I mean, not Kendrick, where J. Cole is at is not in beefing in a rap battle against other niggas or tearing down other motherfuckers, you know, accomplishments, right. [00:25:29] Speaker A: He fucks with. [00:25:31] Speaker B: I just think niggas like black people. I think he's for the culture, not willing to fucking try to terrorist terrorists, you know, start this division. Right? [00:25:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:41] Speaker B: And I know because I, you know, there's been rap beasts before, you know, before biggie and Tupac, but that's the one, right? Like, that's the one that took it well beyond the fucking scope of rap, right? Like, shit started off as fucking, you know, lyrics and ended up with death, right? [00:25:59] Speaker A: The only beef. [00:26:00] Speaker B: No, I mean. I mean, fucking pop smoke and all. These niggas been dying recently for a long time now, right? Like, and it's in. It's that way, and it's. It gets zero to 60 real quick. They get no pun intended. But if you want it to be fucking about just rap, it's never gonna be about just rap. Like, because you gotta get personal. You start talking like, he talked about Kendrick's fucking catalog, like, you know, and said personal shit. Right? The fact of the matter is he didn't like it. He said, call that nigga shit tragic. [00:26:33] Speaker A: Yeah, but that's just subject. That's just an opinion. People say so that. I don't think that's personal, because you. [00:26:40] Speaker B: That is very personal. [00:26:41] Speaker A: You can. You could say somebody's own is tragic, and the next person says the most amazing thing. [00:26:46] Speaker B: I don't know, nigga, the big step. I mean, what's the name, man? The big steppers. [00:26:49] Speaker A: More on the big steppers. [00:26:50] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. That's a dope album to me. [00:26:53] Speaker A: Another person can think it's trash, and that's that other person's opinion. [00:26:56] Speaker B: So this is my thing is, though, it doesn't matter what if you're. When you're going at each other, whether it's fact or fictional, right? If it sounds good, right? If it hits, right? And it. Niggas is like, ooh, nigga, tupac maybe never fucked, um, up faith. Yeah, but that nigga let off that song. That's why I fucked your wife, nigga. It don't matter. It does not fucking matter whether he fucked her or not. He got a picture with her, and that's that's enough. [00:27:24] Speaker A: So what are you saying? You're saying because he's at a point. [00:27:27] Speaker B: I'm just saying that truth doesn't matter. Like, you're saying, like. [00:27:30] Speaker A: No, I'm saying J. Cole thing. Like, what are you saying? [00:27:33] Speaker B: I'm just saying that the nigga. He. I'm. I'm. I'm with. I'm. I respect that nigga more now, honestly. Because the nigga felt he's doing what he knows in himself to be right. Fuck with these. Fuck what y'all want. Fuck what you think. Right? Like, as a fucking coal stand. Now, you calling this nigga number three right now? This nigga's not even. [00:27:52] Speaker A: He's not part of the numbers. What do you. [00:27:54] Speaker B: Doesn't mean part of the numbers. Are you saying that he's. His skill just diminished like that? [00:27:58] Speaker A: I'm not saying his skill's diminished. [00:27:59] Speaker B: So all of a sudden, he's not. He's not on their level? [00:28:01] Speaker A: I'll. [00:28:02] Speaker B: Right now. Cause I've been listening to a lot of J. Cole while I'm on the road. He will kill. Fuck. I mean, lyrically, Drake and him are not even on the same level. [00:28:10] Speaker A: Do it. What are you talking about? Why you didn't. Why you didn't step up to the plate if you kill anybody? He did step up. And why he reneged because he felt bad. Told you why. So let me ask you a question. Who are your top five? Cole. Hov. [00:28:23] Speaker B: Well, no, no. In order. [00:28:24] Speaker A: J. Cole's my number. It don't have to be. It don't have to be in order. How you gonna do that? You don't have to be in order. I'm gonna explain what I said earlier, but my top five is J. Cole, Jay Z, Lillian and Drake. It's a tie. Lil Wayne and Drake just shared a number three spot. Number four is Eminem. No, no, that's not how this works. You can't share a spot. And then we jump to the next. [00:28:44] Speaker B: Number, right, so that. [00:28:45] Speaker A: Jump to five. Yeah, cuz I gotta put Fab because Fab is in my top five. Okay? [00:28:51] Speaker B: So that's why I got a new one, too. [00:28:53] Speaker A: Fab is my J. Cole, Jay Z, Lil Wayne and Drake. And fabulous. Yeah. [00:28:58] Speaker B: And that's, you know, got Kendrick in that. [00:29:00] Speaker A: So who was your six gonna be? Kendrick. Kendrick. Okay. What about you, Mac? Well, I'm sorry, can we. Can I ask why those are your numbers for me. Those are the rappers that I really listen to. Like, when I'm in the car by myself or if I'm just jamming on my own. It'll probably one of those five. And you have a reason for any of them or J. Cole? The reason why I like J. Cole the most is because he's the one I can relate to the most, okay? The reason why I love Jay Z, he's the one that, like, the reason why I even got into listening to rap the way I listen to rap was cause of Jay Z, okay? And he's just one of the best to ever do it. Lil Wayne. Just that era that he had was also when I was growing up, so a lot of my adolescence life is with the Lil Wayne soundtrack, so. My finest memories during the drought days. Yeah, all of that. The droughts, the carters. All of it. Right? J. Cole and J. Cole, too. J. Cole and Drake, too, because they represent my high school and college. But Lila Wayne, when I think of my adolescence, it's a Lil Wayne soundtrack. And fabulous. Because of the funeral service. What about Drake? [00:30:09] Speaker B: Oh, fab fabulous or fabi miss? You know, what's the difference? No, there's. Fabulous is, I think, an east coast dude, right? [00:30:20] Speaker A: Who's fab then? [00:30:21] Speaker B: That's a. That's a Bay area nigga. [00:30:22] Speaker A: Nobody knows. Nobody knows or cares who that is. I'm talking about fabulous. You talking about Mister Fab? Yeah, I'm talking about nobody knows that nigga. [00:30:29] Speaker B: Come on. How do you know that nigga? [00:30:31] Speaker A: Cause I know a lot, okay? I'm talking about fabulous. And the reason why I really like fabulous is because. It's because when he dropped the funeral service, that shit spoke to me. I don't know why. What I was going on in 2010, but that shit was, like, my world. Yeah, we see. [00:30:47] Speaker B: Yeah, he did funeral service. [00:30:49] Speaker A: Yeah. And then that's before the soul tapes. And once he dropped the soul tapes, I was like, oh, yeah, he's my top five now. I even talk about albums. I'm just talking mixtapes. But that's why I put fab is my top five. [00:30:59] Speaker B: You know, where you. Where you put biggie. [00:31:02] Speaker A: I mean, yeah, I recognize his importance, but he's not my time. I don't. I don't have. [00:31:07] Speaker B: So you need to have a nigga that's in your time to be like. So I guess. I mean, I don't know. [00:31:12] Speaker A: I guess for me, because it's. It's more than just the music. Like, it's. It's like. Again, like, a lot of it is, like, some of my finest memories. I can link it with these artists. Okay, so I. Biggie. [00:31:25] Speaker B: So it's. It's emotional. [00:31:26] Speaker A: Yeah, biggie. Like, when I listen to biggie, I'm like, oh, I see. I see the hype. I get it. [00:31:31] Speaker B: But, I mean, niggas only 2 hours. [00:31:33] Speaker A: But I see why he is regarded as one of the best. I see it. But it doesn't speak to me the same way as a J. Cole track. Like, I can remember the first time I heard J. Cole. Yeah. You know, like, I remember exactly what I was doing. I probably don't even remember the year you heard me. Cause. Yeah, right. What about your top five, Mac, and why? [00:31:53] Speaker B: Okay, so I'm. I'm gonna say, like, I'm not. I'm not doing lyricist, right? [00:31:57] Speaker A: Like. [00:31:58] Speaker B: Cause if I was just doing lyrically, it would be different than this. [00:32:01] Speaker A: This nigga just asks for your top five. [00:32:03] Speaker B: Listen. [00:32:04] Speaker A: Well, he did the same thing. He didn't. He put the people that were inspiring them not necessarily the best. [00:32:08] Speaker B: Right. [00:32:09] Speaker A: So you do whatever you want to do. [00:32:09] Speaker B: Cause if it's just. [00:32:11] Speaker A: No, no, just do whatever. You don't have to explain it. Just give me your top five and tell us why. [00:32:14] Speaker B: So number one, obviously, is gonna be Tupac. [00:32:16] Speaker A: Okay. [00:32:18] Speaker B: And the reason why is just his reach, his importance to the rap game. And, you know, lyrically, he was not the greatest, obviously. [00:32:30] Speaker A: No, but you said. Daniel. No. What's happening? What did you just say? [00:32:34] Speaker B: No, no, no. [00:32:35] Speaker A: Hell. What did you say? [00:32:36] Speaker B: He wasn't the greatest lyrically. I mean, that's the first time you said that. [00:32:41] Speaker A: No, no. [00:32:41] Speaker B: Lyrically, Eminem is better. Him lyrically. [00:32:43] Speaker A: Whoo. [00:32:46] Speaker B: For real, though, like, right there might not be. It might not be too. [00:32:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Killing his nigga today. He's the best, but he's getting killed at the same time. [00:32:58] Speaker B: Rocky. Him. Okay, again, I think that goes back to when, like, he's talking about, like, I grew up on Rocky. I'm like, you know what I mean? Like, you know, that paid in full album. I remember, you know, where I was at when I first heard it. You know, I mean, it's just. It just spoke to me differently. [00:33:15] Speaker A: Right. [00:33:15] Speaker B: And I know that that was before there was a whole east coast, west coast thing, right? Like, everything was East coast, right? Like, if you were in the rap. [00:33:22] Speaker A: You were East coast. [00:33:23] Speaker B: It was coming from the east coast. [00:33:25] Speaker A: Because even the people who were West coast, like Bella Funk Hill, Miss Sapien Farsight, although those guys still had, like, a east coast, like, lyrical, like vibe, right? So it was like, we're West coast, but we still recognize that the music is over there. So we're gonna try to emulate as much as we can. [00:33:40] Speaker B: That's the birthplace of it, right? Like, it's just where it came from. And so Rakim, you know, that nigga didn't. He brought me up. Like, that shit is just. Even now when I listen to it, like, I have my son listen to some of that shit, it's just like, yo, this is timeless. [00:33:55] Speaker A: I'm sorry, Mac. Do you know a Rockham song? French? I don't know it from the top of my heart. Do you know one name. Name one song, any Rockhampton song that you can fuck. Go ahead, Mac. Yeah, yeah. [00:34:04] Speaker B: And God damn it. So, three. And I'm gonna probably put. And nobody's gonna like this one. I'm gonna put em in there. Yeah, that's fine. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Well, I mean, just. Just shout out to the Reese from shoot from the hip show. He's not gonna like it. [00:34:23] Speaker B: No, no. Him or Montoya. Cause they're both racist. And they don't. They don't like the fact that he's exploited or taking advantage of his. I mean, again, he. [00:34:35] Speaker A: If somebody were to say Macklemore, vanilla ice, those kind of guys, I can get where you're coming from because they're. They're really just capitalizing off of the abilities of what has been already put in front of him. [00:34:44] Speaker B: Right. [00:34:45] Speaker A: Eminem is different. [00:34:46] Speaker B: He is. He's definitely different. [00:34:47] Speaker A: Right? [00:34:47] Speaker B: And, I mean. And I. I'm fucking with him even more now. Like I said, I'd be in a truck and I'd be listening to shit. This sober Eminem, this nigga that's, like, different now. Like, ready to come for niggas head. These young niggas heads and all this shit. [00:34:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:00] Speaker B: His lyrical play is just next level. He. His mind, the way he puts shit together. [00:35:06] Speaker A: Rhyme. Word with orange, bro. After that. But you gotta give him everything. [00:35:10] Speaker B: He's just different. [00:35:12] Speaker A: Right? [00:35:12] Speaker B: Like. So then after that, I'm gonna go, Kendrick. [00:35:16] Speaker A: Okay. And. [00:35:18] Speaker B: And I. Cuz. Cuz. Kendrick, to me, is a artist, right? Like, whenever Kendrick puts out something. [00:35:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:24] Speaker B: It's like a. It's like a movie. Like, his albums are like movies, you know? I mean, like, they. He's not just rapping. He's doing a whole experience type shit. [00:35:35] Speaker A: Calluses, you know? [00:35:37] Speaker B: It's like, did he. [00:35:38] Speaker A: He says they make movies. [00:35:39] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's like the Jimmy Hendrix. No, it was like the Jimi Hendrik experience. Right? [00:35:44] Speaker A: Like, weird how you're saying a lot of the words you're gonna hear when I get to my top five is you're giving me a lot of weird words, which is crazy, because I think we're closer than we are far apart. [00:35:52] Speaker B: But, you know, like, that. That was one of the things, like, you know, the Jimi Hendrix experience. I fuck with that, right? Like, that album. And it's like, to me, it was like, this is what you're getting when you fuck with Jimmy, right? And I think that's what you get when you fuck with Kendrick. You get an experience. It's not just lyrics, and it's not just songs. And it may not be some shit that you want to play loud in your car when you bumping around town and shit, you know what I mean? For, you know, attention and shit like that. But if you listen to this nigga, he's different for sure. So what's that? That's four? [00:36:23] Speaker A: Yep. Oh, damn. You don't got a five? [00:36:27] Speaker B: I do, man. [00:36:27] Speaker A: And it's giving you an honorable mention too. [00:36:30] Speaker B: Okay, so this five, and it's just been recent, man, and he's jumped up into my five, is. Is J. Cole, man. J. Cole is special. No, J. Cole is special. He speaker two. [00:36:41] Speaker A: No, you don't get to shape, like, your head. Now I'm gonna tell you why. We're gonna hear in a second. We'll wait. Go ahead, man. [00:36:49] Speaker B: No, because I've been listening to his whole discord discography, right? And he's. He's insightful and he's not repetitive. Like, he doesn't say a lot of the same. He's always coming with new shit. Yeah, and it's about different topics, right? Whether it's fucking, you know, fucking for the first time or, you know, I mean, it's. Again, these are different. It's not just about, like, what I got, you know? I mean, Drake, you listen to Drake. It's talking about money and Holly. You know, it's the same shit over and over. But he. But he's a. He's a hit maker, right? Drake listens. He makes shit that you want to bop and, you know, that you want to jam to or fucking dance in the club to. Fucking. Cole plays music that you can fucking listen to and learn something, right? Like, afterwards, you're like, okay, that's some different shit, right? [00:37:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:36] Speaker B: So. So, yeah, he'd be my fit. [00:37:38] Speaker A: And who's your honorable mention? Because he had you came up with Kendrick for yours. French. Who's your honorable mention? [00:37:43] Speaker B: So my honorable mention, and I don't even. It's hard to say this because. Little Wayne, Lil Wayne. [00:37:54] Speaker A: Why? It's hard why? [00:37:55] Speaker B: No, because, again, Lil Wayne is low key. Just, he don't be saying shit like his lyrics is cool and his songs are cool. [00:38:07] Speaker A: Bunch of punchlines with words in between them. [00:38:08] Speaker B: Right, right. But the fact that he's able to put this shit together, talking about he's lacking substance. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't have a lot of substance to it. Right. And so. And I think maybe that attracts my add nature. Like, we can just get all over. But again, I think that's the same thing with M is fucking all over the place. And to me, for em, it's that the shit that I've always liked about Eminem is that shit he does in the background. Like, the fucking sound effects, the fucking shit that goes along with the song to enhance it, that you don't. You know, he may say talk about a scene, but then he's doing shit in the background that represents the scene, and it just kind of brings it even more into focus. [00:38:47] Speaker A: Right. [00:38:48] Speaker B: So that would be my six. [00:38:49] Speaker A: So my top five, I can't put it in order because it's different. And you'll see why in a second. I'm not looking for necessarily, like you were saying, lyricist. I'm not necessarily looking for lyricists. However, there is a requirement for the people who are in my top five to have a certain level of lyrical ability. [00:39:06] Speaker B: Right. [00:39:07] Speaker A: So they have to be up to a certain level. [00:39:09] Speaker B: Now, this is why you're gonna omit, my nigga. [00:39:13] Speaker A: No, hold on. And this is why my honorable mention is the only one that's not really lyrical necessarily. Okay? And again, no order. I'm gonna start with Jay Z. The reason why Jay Z is in my top five is because not only did he have eleven plus number one albums, beating the Beatles for number one albums, who else has done that? All these n'all names, y'all saying they can't do that. [00:39:34] Speaker B: Drake ain't got that. [00:39:35] Speaker A: Drake hasn't dropped ten albums yet. [00:39:37] Speaker B: Okay? [00:39:38] Speaker A: So if he does. So Jay Z got number one albums, he got hits out his ass. But he was also able to change the game as far as branding and business goes. Right? So I think that most people would consider Jay Z to be probably the most successful rapper turned anything. I don't know. Maybe y'all disagree. No, but I think that he's definitely in the argument, and therefore, because of that influence that he's made and because of how he changed the game, in a way, he gets on my list. Right. [00:40:08] Speaker B: Why he's so for fade next, we're. [00:40:10] Speaker A: Gonna go with Tupac. Tupac is by far the most impactful human being that has ever rapped on anything. There is not anyone. There's no one else who has been a rapper, even for a short period of time, who has been more impactful than Tupac. And that goes to attitude, personality, rapping, whatever. J Mac's about to bust a nut. No, no, no. Exciting. [00:40:34] Speaker B: No, no, no. It just made me think of. I overshot my num. My honorable mention. I don't want little Wayne as my honorable mention. So just go, though. [00:40:45] Speaker A: You want to go back? Want to step back and give you your honorable mention? [00:40:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:47] Speaker A: Okay. Who we got? [00:40:48] Speaker B: DMX. [00:40:49] Speaker A: DMX. Okay. [00:40:50] Speaker B: DMX is my honorable mention because of that type of. Kind of what you were just explaining. Like this nigga. I remember that summer, you know, when I. Nigga dropped three, right? It was three, three, like, in a year. [00:41:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:04] Speaker B: I mean, and nobody did that. And again, I think when he. We talked about it before, about people doing gospel rap, like, he. He was that dude, too. Like, he has a whole song. [00:41:15] Speaker A: Like. [00:41:15] Speaker B: You know, I mean, like, lord, give me a sign. Like, I mean, he's got where. And I know that none of you niggas really fuck with all of that, but I think that he was able to bridge that. That street shit to some other shit, right, to. To a spiritual thing, right? Like, to say, listen, we. [00:41:31] Speaker A: You. [00:41:32] Speaker B: You can act like you don't fucking give a fuck, and you can. You don't understand that, you know, connect with the creator and all this shit. But I do. And I'm still this nigga, though, right? Like, I'm still this nigga. And how can I not when I put him in there, when, again, we sold tied on that. If it's fuck me, then, you know, it's fuck you. [00:41:50] Speaker A: Right? [00:41:50] Speaker B: You know? I mean. So I got to put DmX in. [00:41:53] Speaker A: Okay, so back to my list. I'll just say Jay Z was number one because of his influence and branding, et cetera, and becoming. He's not a businessman, he's a business man. That's true. [00:42:02] Speaker B: Four, four, four. [00:42:03] Speaker A: And he's the epitome of the shit. [00:42:05] Speaker B: When he hit four, four, four, I was like. I mean, again, that's later. But four, four, four is like, he completes everything. He's spending so much game in that motherfucking song. It's just like, yo. [00:42:15] Speaker A: Right? So that's why he's in the top five. Tupac, of course. Like, I mean, you know, acting, rapping, poetry, impact, just period personality. Even if I don't agree with some of the things that he has brought on the industry and brought on black people. You can't deny his influence and his impact, his impact in the industry. So he's in the top five as well. [00:42:39] Speaker B: He was out here when he was shooting off duty security guards and shit. [00:42:42] Speaker A: I believe I was overseas then. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that's what, two. Yeah. Okay. Eminem. Eminem has the ability to put together four and five syllables, words, and rhyme them like orange. Well, but I'm saying. But four cell. You like their four s. Like, he'll do a phrase that has four sounds in it, and he'll match those same four sounds for the rest of the verse. That's not easy, bro. Four syllable rhymes is not easy. You know, five syllable rhyme. That's not. No one else can do that. [00:43:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:14] Speaker A: And to have sold as many records as he has, obviously, there's a feat there. So you might be seeing a trend in my top five is people that change the game in a way, or not necessarily moneymakers, but just change. Like, Tupac wasn't a moneymaker where they. I think he sold only 5 million albums while he's alive. He sold a lot after he. A lot after. Way more. Like probably five times more after he's dead. So that's what I'm saying. The impact is there. Like, obviously, this nigga only sold 5 million alive and 20 plus dead. So there's impact there. That's why he's a top five for me. And Eminem is the same. There's no one else who can do that. There's no one else who can do what Tupac did, and there's no one else who can do what Jay Z did. Even Kanye, who is not even close in my eyes, because Kanye wasn't able to tie all of it together, whereas Jay Z has figured out how to tie all of it together and, quote, unquote, the best chick in the game wearing his chain, too. You know what I'm saying? He's tied so much together. There's not another Jay Z. There will never be. There's not another Tupac. There will never be. There's not another M and M. There probably will never be. Right? So the next one is Andre 3000. And what's crazy about this is you said a couple of things in there. I feel like it's. I feel like the reason why Andre is in that list is because he's more Jimi Hendrix than Rakim, but he's both right. You think he got enough, though, nigga? What'd I just say? Listen to the names I said. He's more Jimi Hendrix than Rakim, but he's both. [00:44:37] Speaker B: Right? [00:44:37] Speaker A: So imagine if you got Rakim and Jimi Hendrix had a baby, right? That's Andre. [00:44:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:43] Speaker A: And there's no one who can do what he does. What do you. What just was the question you asked is he's not enough. What'd you say? [00:44:48] Speaker B: Does he have enough? I don't know. [00:44:49] Speaker A: Enough what? As far as albums, I thought we were talking about the top five people. Yeah, but the reason why I asked that question. Cause I respect that. But when people wanna knock Andre is because they say, you don't got enough. Cause he never was a solo. I don't pick any of Tupac's albums other than me against the world and all eyes on me. Those other albums don't matter. So we're talking about two albums from. Okay, so Tupac. All right, cool. [00:45:14] Speaker B: I'm with you. [00:45:15] Speaker A: I'm just saying, most people, when they want to knock Andres because they say he wasn't a good album. [00:45:21] Speaker B: It was a good album. [00:45:22] Speaker A: I get around and Brenda had. Wait, I get around and strictly from. What? No, what was the song strictly for? [00:45:27] Speaker B: My niggas was the album. I know, but he still had a. He had a. [00:45:31] Speaker A: What album did you say? [00:45:33] Speaker B: Two. Pocalypse. [00:45:33] Speaker A: Now, that wasn't the same album Tupac's now had. Brin had a baby on it. Right, and not a good album. [00:45:38] Speaker B: Soldier story. [00:45:39] Speaker A: That wasn't a good album. [00:45:39] Speaker B: Come on, bro. [00:45:40] Speaker A: Man. You know that wasn't a good album. It was okay. Nobody's rapping those songs anymore. They don't play those songs. You. When's the last time you played a song from strictly for my niggas or tupacolips? Now. Twopocalypse. Now, when's the last time you played any of those songs? Stop it. You're lying. You know you didn't. Me against the world all eyes on me and forward. Nobody fucks with those first couple of albums. When he was still really technically east coast this year. [00:46:04] Speaker B: He wasn't. He wasn't thugging it yet. Right? [00:46:07] Speaker A: The only song I liked from back then, I was. I get around. And the one he did with McBreed. Gotta get mine. Gotta get yours. [00:46:13] Speaker B: That shit was. Bro. [00:46:15] Speaker A: So you were saying three stacks because yours, Jimi Hendrix and Rock, because he's that lifelong. How many rappers you know that are Jimi Hendrix and Rakim? None. None. Rakim got lyrics. Jimi Hendrix is creative as fuck, right? And he would not go with the grain. Jimi Hendrix would not go with the grain. He always did shit different. And it's just. [00:46:32] Speaker B: You just accepted her wiring is fucking his fucking guitar backwards upside down. [00:46:36] Speaker A: Yeah, he's left handed, right. Everything is, like, just totally different. So Andre is that, though. And there's no one else who can do that. There's not another person as weird as. Cause there's a fine line. I remember telling artists back in the day when I was working in that field, was like, your job as a rapper, especially now. And this was during the drought. Drought period. Yeah. Your objective now is to be different enough to where you stand out from the crowd, but not so different that nobody fucks with you. Andre is so close to that line where people don't fuck with him, but he's right on the inside of it. And that's crazy talent to be right there at the cusp where niggas is looking at you like, yo, this thing got on furry leg warmers and shoulder pads. But, yo, that verse was fire. But he dropped, like, a year or two ago on the Kanye's deluxe album, life of the party. That's, like, one of the best. First I've heard. I don't think it came out, though, right? That one released. You can hear it, look it up, but it wasn't released. He did that shit on the erica by do album. Hello. Hello. Shit, whatever. I heard a verse the other day killing walk it out remix versus. Yeah, he just. He's just different, right? And there's nobody else who can do it. So whether he doesn't have enough, I don't give a shit about that. This isn't about that. And five, this person has always been somebody that I respected because I feel like he has. First of all, he has an incredible voice, but he has the ability to tie so much emotion into his rap that you don't have to even know the story he's talking about. But when you hear him rap, the emotion that he's able to put into the song, his voice just has that. Right. He recently did a tiny desk concert and killed it. No, no. And it was amazing. I know who. It was amazing. I know who. He couldn't even fucking get his mouth to the mic most of the time. He kept looking around the room, fucking up the mic because the mic was a directional mic that was pointed at his face. And he kept looking around so you couldn't even hear half his lyrics. But he was so into it that you had to watch it. And if you watch it, you're like, oh, my God, this thing is crazy. Then fast forward to maybe a week ago. I saw a beanie Siegel clip where he's talking to dialogue of rap or whatever, one of those little rap interview shows. And he says, yo, I got this crazy story. He was one of my favorite rappers already, so I wanted to get him on some records. But I had this crazy story for when we were in the studio recording somehow, some way. Jay Z did his verse. I got in the booth, I did my verse. Scarface walks in halfway through my verse, and as he's walking in, he gets a phone call that his homeboy's son had got murdered. And so he's distraught. He shut the studio session down. They thought they weren't gonna get even, get to record the second song, which was, it can't be life. Y'all know that record? [00:49:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:21] Speaker A: Right? So he says they get a call that evening, and Scarface saying, hey, man, I want to come in. Let's finish the song. So they come in. Jay Z does his verse. Beanie does his verse. Scarface gets in the booth and fucking raps about the situation that happened earlier. So listen to that this can't be life verse again. You're gonna hear the emotion in his voice. He's almost crying in some parts, right? He raps about hearing. Earlier today, I got a call walking into the studio, doing a song with jig. Got a phone call from one of my niggas saying his son got killed or whatever. And he's rapping the entire event from when he walked in earlier to how he feels about it, et cetera. And so Beanie was like, yo, this nigga is nuts. How talented he is. And I've always known it. But hearing that just solidified this dude to my top five. Because go back and listen to that verse now. Now that you know that that happened earlier, the day before he recorded that shit. And there's a part where he's like, you know, he called. I had to call my wife and give her the bad news. Cause Brad's, too, talking about his son. So he's seeing his friend's son get murdered. He's talking about in his verse, how he had to call his wife and give her the bad news. Cause their son is young, too. And then he goes on further, talking about. I could have talked about my own hard times in this song. But that would have been. God knows that would have been wrong. It wouldn't have been right. It wouldn't have been life. It wouldn't have been love. Whatever. Like, this nigga is just his ability to put that emotion into it. And then on top of that, his voice is crazy. His voice is sick. Yeah. He. When he wrote, there was a. There was a podcast, actually, the podcast that influenced me to want a podcast, which was combat Jack show. I don't know if y'all remember. Yeah, yeah, I know. Come back. Combat Jack was, too. Yeah. He was an attorney in the industry named reggie, too. Yeah. And already, surreal niggas and I don't know about that. And. And he. He has scarface on there one day. And Scarface was talking about when he did never seen a man cry till I seen a man die or whatever, right? He said he wrote that song high on acid, and he recorded it high on something else. And just, like, the ability for him to write crazy shit and see it and then also get in a booth and make that shit come to life. Scarface is definitely number five. Hands down. You can't get him off the list. I don't care what you say. [00:51:29] Speaker B: Yeah, no, you brought me to a different place. Because I remember again, the ghetto boys, again, were a arc in my life, right? I mean, like, I listening to them niggas doing shit like living wild. The ghetto boys were all that. And, I mean, he was the. The chief of them. [00:51:50] Speaker A: He was the best rapper. [00:51:51] Speaker B: I mean. Yeah, he was the one. [00:51:52] Speaker A: Bushwick wasn't really a rapper. [00:51:54] Speaker B: Yeah, he was. You know, I mean, like. [00:51:55] Speaker A: Well, big Mike was. Came later. Right? There was another thing. I came over his name, though. [00:52:00] Speaker B: Well, so it was before all that. [00:52:02] Speaker A: Back. Back before they changed it, so. [00:52:04] Speaker B: Right. [00:52:04] Speaker A: It was. [00:52:04] Speaker B: No, the ones. The originals. Willie D, Scarface, and Bushwick. And neither one, not another guy that. [00:52:12] Speaker A: Got kicked out of the group or something before they got popular, before Willie D. Willie D was there, too. [00:52:17] Speaker B: Okay. [00:52:17] Speaker A: I can't remember the story. I watched a lot of. Yeah. [00:52:20] Speaker B: Cause there was four of them. You're right. There was four of them. I remember this. [00:52:22] Speaker A: I don't remember the niggas name. [00:52:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:24] Speaker A: But anyway, so, yeah, that's my five, my honorable mention. And this is gonna be crazy, too. I've mentioned this guy before, though. Masterpiece, hands down, changed the game. There can be no one who replaces him or comes after him. I will put a caveat in that, though. He learned his game from your boy e 40. So I have to give them both credit as my honorable mention. But it's really Master P. E 40 did it, but he didn't make it. He didn't make it possible for everybody else. Master P did it in a way that everybody could understand. And it completely changed the landscape of how Soulja boy got on. [00:52:53] Speaker B: Right. [00:52:54] Speaker A: Everybody got on based off of a master p. The fact that you mentioned Master P. Let me ask y'all a question. Cause y'all was alive, Master P when y'all was alive during that time. Who's more impactful in Snoop Dogg's career, Sug or Master P? Sug. [00:53:07] Speaker B: Yeah. That Master p era with Snoop was just to get away from Suge. [00:53:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Nobody really liked that, those records. No, no, there weren't a lot of records that came because when Snoop talks, he gives a lot of love to. Nah, but that's because Master P is the shit. That's what I'm trying to get. [00:53:20] Speaker B: Master P got him out of that sugar. [00:53:22] Speaker A: All the way out. [00:53:23] Speaker B: Right. He got him away from Suge. Right. Like, he let him escape and be him. [00:53:28] Speaker A: He was basically telling, hey, man, I know they're telling you this, but listen to what I'm telling you. You can do this without them. And he showed them how to do it. And even though those dogfather album or whatever, that shit was terrible. It was the beginning of Snoop's real career. Prior to that, he was a puppet. Not necessarily a puppet, but he was doing what he was supposed to do to fit into that thing. [00:53:46] Speaker B: He wasn't the real suge, because, again, he never talked that real Snoop. He never talked that crip shit. He never was. And not to say that you have to, but he was suppressed for sure. He wasn't full snoop. [00:53:58] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. And I think his whole career changed. He started doing other shit when he got with Master P and learned the real game. He started having tv shows. He started making Saint Jill will seduction type. Right. It opened up his entire pathway. He didn't have to be. The murder was the case that they gave me nigga anymore. He could be a nigga that's singing to you beautiful. That's like that. Look at the records. The difference in the records after he got done with the little masterpiece time period, because that was really bad. It was bad music. But as soon as he got free from that masterpiece, gave him the keys to the game. Gotcha. And that's what I'm saying. You can't replace that, dude. None of the people that I put in my top five are replaceable. And my honorable mention I don't think is replaceable either. But I do give the caveat that since he learned the game from the Bay area, we got to give credit to e 42 short and all them niggas. [00:54:43] Speaker B: What's really funny is that. That's where I really got on the master P, right? Like, I mean, he was the ice cream man to me. I mean, like, that's, that's. That's how I was introduced to Master P. Right. You know, I mean, no, no. Before no limit. Before no limit area, this nigga wasn't. He was the he to me. He was a Bay area nigga. Like, I didn't know him to be no southern nigga, you know, I mean, like, this, this niggas, you know, ice cream. [00:55:08] Speaker A: Ice cream was the ice cream man. [00:55:09] Speaker B: Like, you know, I mean, like, yeah, that dunno. And it was just smack. And, like, it was his very west coast. Like, it felt, like, sourced. Like he was. He was one of us for sure. It felt like. And then when you find out, like, oh, this nigga not even from here. Like, this nigga is really from, you know, the south. But he came out here and just did his thing. And, you know, again, he was the ice cream man to me. He wasn't master p at all. [00:55:35] Speaker A: Yeah. So here's my, here's my argument. Now. This is where we're going to fight. All right, all right. So I've given you my five, y'all give me your five. The reason why neither Kendrick nor J. Cole can be in the top five, based off my criteria, is that they don't change anything. They're not changers. They're not disruptors. Do you think the game is at an age where you will find people that will be able to change it again? All those people, all those five people, six people did. I'm saying, I literally ask, do you think now, 50 years in hip hop now, do you think new rappers will be able to come and change it? That's what I'm saying. Teddy swims changed country. [00:56:12] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know if you can't say that about Kendrick. This nigga got a Pulitzer. You know what I mean? [00:56:17] Speaker A: Like, doesn't mean he changed the game. No. What does that mean? [00:56:20] Speaker B: He's doing it. [00:56:21] Speaker A: What did he get a Pulitzer for? Damn. No, no, no. What did he get it for? Don't tell me what record. What was the reason he got the Pulitzer? It was for, like, literature. It was like an art thing. What does the Pulitzer recognize? You don't even know is american. [00:56:36] Speaker B: Is american writing. [00:56:37] Speaker A: Yeah, but what is it recognized? Don't say american writing, because everybody, there's a lot of american writers. It has to be something else in american writing. Like, don't call out Pulitzer if you don't even know what it's for. [00:56:46] Speaker B: I know that you have to be american to do it. Hold up. Real quick. The only reason I know that is shout out to Monk, nigga, I've been watching Monk in this Australian. Nigga said he would have pulled us there. Monk is like, nah, nigga. That's an american war. Like, this nigga can't write australian or fucking published fucking content and win a Pulitzer. Like, this is only for us. I don't. And Monk, I know this is different. I know, but I don't know if y'all ever fuck with that show, that detective show. [00:57:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've watched it. [00:57:18] Speaker B: I feel like I got a lot of monk in me. Not. Not. I'm not as bad as him. [00:57:22] Speaker A: He's, like, autistic or something. [00:57:23] Speaker B: He's not. He's just germaphobe, right. He's got some issues, you know what I mean? Like, where, you know, shit fucks with him differently, right? [00:57:31] Speaker A: Like Larry David. [00:57:32] Speaker B: Yeah. But he's way. He's way extra. Like, he needs a. Like, a nurse to keep him from going over the edge. Like, he can't look at some shit. Like, sometimes how I can't. Like, I'll get taken off topic. And then you're like, come on back. And I'm like, I can't. Like, is. This is bothering me, right? Like, I gotta go over here. He's like that to the upteenth degree. Like, he's like, oh, your fucking socks don't match. Like, this is bothering me. Are your tie is little bit crooked or, you know, whatever. Some. Your bouquet. These one flowers higher than the next. Like, there's all this shit that fucks with him. But monk is my nigga. Like, I relate. I could. I could feel, just not to the extent, but anyways, that's the only reason why I know Polish is an american shit. [00:58:10] Speaker A: Okay. But he still didn't change shit, though. Like, be honest. Just saying. [00:58:14] Speaker B: Who did? [00:58:14] Speaker A: Kendrick. What does he change? What is. What can. What cannot be replaced about him? I think that there are other artists that can do what he does. Not necessarily on his level, but I think that it's possible to recreate who Kendrick is. Me, I subscribe to that. I don't think we'll ever be able to see a rapper like the fives that he mentioned to change the game anymore. I don't think they will even allow a rapper. Well, I don't know how J. Cole could. What could J. Cole do? Nothing. What can you do now to change the game. But that's because he's kind of boring. [00:58:42] Speaker B: He's not. He's not. [00:58:43] Speaker A: Can I talk about why I'm at you? [00:58:46] Speaker B: You kicked him out. Like, you. You for. For a. For a J. Cole, Stan. [00:58:51] Speaker A: Yes. You. [00:58:51] Speaker B: You came out real like. [00:58:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:53] Speaker B: And then you got nerve to talk about his fucking apology. Like, you flipped. Like, your. Your turning on him is worse than his apology. [00:59:01] Speaker A: Why? [00:59:02] Speaker B: Because nigga like, you best. You've been standing up for this nigga. [00:59:05] Speaker A: That'S going to his. [00:59:06] Speaker B: Going to his concerts, fucking camping out, you know, fucking doing all of this shit. And then you gonna be like, he not. He not one of the top. [00:59:13] Speaker A: Yeah, cuz, he let me down. How do you let you down, J. Cole? For the last 15 years, especially the last five years, pretty much every track is like, I'm ready for the smoke. I'm ready whoever wants to challenge me, come. The challenge happened. You gave a little jab, and then you just. Now your feelings are bad. Listen, you've been asking for this moment your whole career, nigga. And then I said, j. Cole. [00:59:45] Speaker B: Hold on. [00:59:45] Speaker A: This is why I'm really mad. I've been a J. Cole fan from the. When your name was therapist. Well, you didn't even call yourself J. Cole when you was on a mixtape with Bob call May 25. That's how long I've been on J. Cole. And in the whole pause. [01:00:00] Speaker B: Yeah. And then as a. [01:00:03] Speaker A: As a J. Cole fan, especially in the beginning of his career, what was his critique like? Be honest. Just say he's boring. He makes sleepy music. And as a fan, I had to be the nigga in the cafeteria rooms. Like, nah, nigga. This is nigga's the best. This nigga's the that. And then for 15 years, all your fans have been defending you. And the moment you could shut everybody up, you prove everybody right by calling you boring and sleepy. [01:00:28] Speaker B: Why? How? He wasn't that seven minute drill. I ain't gonna lie. That shit smacked. [01:00:32] Speaker A: That shit smacks. [01:00:32] Speaker B: But you reneged. [01:00:33] Speaker A: You reneged the moment. You take it back. We can't. A lot of people were saying that he stopped because he felt like people were criticizing his verse as not as good as Kendrick's. I didn't think the Kendrick verse was all that great. And it was also buried in a song with future. And also, too, I think this was the first round. You didn't have to give your best yet, so who cares if he already said it wasn't? [01:00:51] Speaker B: He said it was just a little warning shot, nigga. [01:00:53] Speaker A: I think this is what I really think to what you said. I respect the maturity, the humility. Cool. Like, as a grown man, as an adult male, I respect that. But the sport, I can't respect it for the sake of the sport. Like I told you, I battle Nathan nice. And I don't even rap. Like, when it comes to the sport, when it comes to the sport, you cannot back down. Imagine if LeBron was like, oh, I gotta face scurry. Nah, that's my nigga. I went to go watch him play in college in Davidson. He went to my camp. I can't go dunk on him. I couldn't. It's not the same. [01:01:26] Speaker B: It ain't. So this is. [01:01:27] Speaker A: Why is it not the same? This is a sport. We're talking about sport. We're not talking about sport because we're talking about real life. Because you guys have made rappers say that they're authentic, right? You guys have made them prove their. Their authenticity. So then when we start talking about smacking niggas and. And you think Cole and Kendrick would have really went that far? No, but what about the peripheral? What about the niggas in LA that only ride for Kendrick? And when he gets out and does a concert, what do you think about them? [01:01:50] Speaker B: Right? [01:01:51] Speaker A: Check in nigga. Oh, you ain't even. When you try to come check in, they gonna do you like, oh, you think you better than us? And when I was talking about niggas, that's what we came to, is like, the niggas, like we were saying, like, the niggas in the payroll, like, the 14 nigga on the payroll might get shot or fan. But my thing is, I don't care about that, though. That's not the point I want to make. The point I wanted to make was, I feel like we have to give people the ability to move through their experiences their own way. Okay, here's the problem with what everybody's saying. You guys are not taking into account that he's telling you, I got what you guys got. I got those feelings. I felt like I needed to respond. I felt like it was my time to say something and to show y'all that I'm that nigger, right? But immediately, I tasted it, and I don't like to taste. So those past 15 years that you're talking about, I've been ribbon this shit up. I hadn't tasted it yet. I battled. I beef with diggie. Diggie Simmons or what? Like, stupid shit like that. That was nothing. Cause there was. It was obviously comedy, right? But now that I got into a real beef, a real battle. I'm just. I'm floored by how overwhelming it is. I had no idea it was gonna feel like this. But I tasted it, and it's disgusting. And look, and not even the people that are criticizing me, the people that are ripping me up, I don't even like that feeling. I don't like niggas that's like, yo, you smashed him. Keep smashing him. I don't even want that energy surrounding me. Cause that's not the type of nigga. And I didn't know that prior to me biting off a piece. But now that I bit off a piece, I'm like, of, damn, bro, what is my role in hating black men? What is my role in making kids? Cause there are some people who aren't like you, right, who don't have their mind on straight and don't have their senses in place, right? So to you, you can listen to that rap and be like, oh, that's just a rap. That's just something else, right? But there are people who are younger than you who look to J. Cole for how they live, how they walk, how they talk, how they do everything. And for them to see the guy that they've been looking up to all these years who's quote unquote, a positive, conscious, more conscious rapper now fall to the beef thing. And now he's throwing shots at other rappers and other black men, trying to tear them down for whatever reason. They're like, that's. Yeah, now you validated what all these rest of these n been trying to say. I need to beef more. I need to be more aggressive. I need to be all these things. He took a bite of that shit and started getting the other side of it. People started congratulating him on doing that nigga. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's my homie. I'm not trying to do him. This is fun. It didn't feel fun to him anymore, so he recognized that and says, hey, y'all, look. But I know it's only been a day. It's only been a day or two. But what I really feel horrible about, like, I have a great album except for that one track. Yeah, yeah. I really feel bad about that one track. Let me tell you why. I'm not that guy. Now, you might have wanted me to be that guy. There might have been a time when I wanted to be that guy myself. You guys didn't help me by ribbing, but I'm not blaming y'all for ribbing. Me up. I get it. I was part of it. I got caught up in it. But now that I've done it, I don't like any of the shit that I've gotten that's come to me after I did that. This is actually a lesson to all these knucklehead ass niggas that go out and do crimes and do dirt and do their homeboys dirty and do everybody do shit dirty. There's another side to that. There's a. If you kill somebody, you're gonna see that face. Don't let these hard niggas tell you a fucking lie. You kill a nigga, you're gonna see that face forever. Forever. It never stops. You kill somebody. [01:05:21] Speaker B: No, I'm just saying. So this is because you brought it up, and I was gonna mention it, right? You brought up the fact that he had been talking this shit like, come with it. You know, I'm about to do this, and you know I'm ready for this. [01:05:31] Speaker A: I'm trying to revive a sports dying hold up. [01:05:36] Speaker B: So when he. So when you. You could, right, like, you could talk that shit, right? And the motherfuckers talk about what they'll do, right? Like, if a nigga run up on me, nigga, I smoke a nigga, right? You, nigga, do this to me. You know me, I'll smoke a nigga, right, until you actually smoke a nigga, right? And then it's like, yo, I just. It feels. And it hits a little bit differently now that it's fucking reality. And I actually did smoke a nigga. I don't like that. You know what I mean? [01:06:01] Speaker A: I'm with you. I just. I just. Knowing them too. Specifically, if it was Cole versus Yg or any other rapper, I would think violence could possibly happen. But between him and Kendrick, I just wouldn't think it would ever get violent. The only thing that I like, once I like, calm down, I was like, you know what? To really win this battle, it won't be like, my metaphor was better than your metaphor. It would never be that. It would have to be a personal shot. It would never happen. Cause there are always gonna be Kendrick fans. Like, nah, Kendrick won. Yeah, true. But I'm just saying it would have to be a personal shot other than for you. [01:06:38] Speaker B: But you gonna start talking about baby mamas, and that's the thing. [01:06:41] Speaker A: And you can't. What are you doing outside of your taste? Your personal taste that the sport was hurt? Yeah. What's the upside for J. Cole for not doing it? No, no, no. What's the upside in the entire thing, in the beef, he sent a record. What's his upside in this beef? If they did do it, they did do it. What's his upside? [01:07:01] Speaker B: What's he gained from doing it? [01:07:02] Speaker A: What's the upside? You could have possibly, depending on how Kendrick responded, you could have possibly be crowned the number one. But you told me, this is what you told me and Mack a couple of weeks ago. J. Cole's not really trying to do that. He's got his fan base, and they're loyal, and they come to Dreamville every year. He doesn't want any of that shit. But the moment you put that song out, you stepped in the ring, and he realized that, oh, my fans are coming to Dreamville anyway. So I'm gonna, I'm at Dreamville. I'm gonna let my fans know I did wrong. And the thing. Okay, cool. But this is my thing. You just named five rappers. You just named five rappers. All of them were battle tested. Okay. I guess I feel like you. I feel like I don't know who Andre battled with. I don't know. Andre's the only one. [01:07:48] Speaker B: But I don't know if Rakim battled niggas. You know what I mean? I think he just was, he was just recognized. [01:07:54] Speaker A: But you see what I'm trying to say. Like, most, when we think of some of the top rappers, they've all went through the battle tested face. Hov went through it. They've went through it. That's part, I think that's part of it. Of. [01:08:08] Speaker B: I think what now is it is more than battling is, is the features, right? Like, when you put a nigga on your feature. [01:08:14] Speaker A: Yeah. If you do that with Cypher, if he. [01:08:17] Speaker B: If he kills the song more than you. Right? [01:08:19] Speaker A: Like, that's what Jacob was doing, right? So anybody song, you'll fuck you up. [01:08:24] Speaker B: So then again, I don't, I don't. You say battle tested. I think he's already proved his, his worth or his mettle in that instance. Like, you put a side by side, watch what I do. Like, this is your verse, my nigga, and then watch what I do. [01:08:37] Speaker A: So what about the thing is, so this is the part that really makes me sad about the apology. Again, the maturity thing, I get it, is anytime you at the barbershop or you talking and you bring J. Cole's name and you say, he's the best, the daddy's, the. That all the nigga gotta say he was scared of Kendrick, and you can't have no comeback for that. [01:08:58] Speaker B: But see, again, that's. That's. [01:08:59] Speaker A: It doesn't matter. The narrative is there. It doesn't matter. Everything is based on narrative, whether it's true or not. The narrative runs the story. [01:09:08] Speaker B: Okay? [01:09:08] Speaker A: That is the fact. It doesn't matter. Again. [01:09:11] Speaker B: And I think that you can succumb to that, right? Or you can be above that, of course. [01:09:16] Speaker A: But again, when you go to the barbershop and talk, niggas are gonna succumb. [01:09:20] Speaker B: But. So again, so. [01:09:23] Speaker A: And as a fan. [01:09:24] Speaker B: So you put me in a tough predicament. So again, you can lower yourself, right? You can lower yourself to that fucking low hanging fruit and succumb to that, right? Because. Or you can be more elevated and understand that it's bigger than that, right? Like, it's not. [01:09:38] Speaker A: So as a fan. As a fan, when you can save. [01:09:41] Speaker B: Everybody, when the fan goes to the. [01:09:43] Speaker A: Barbershop, they can't say shit the moment the nigga says that. [01:09:46] Speaker B: But a nigga wasn't he. So again, I don't, I don't see it as being afraid. And that's that weak shit to me. That's that weak shit. It's not. It's not. It's not his apology that's weak. It's that weak fucking mentality that says, oh, he was afraid of Kendrick. No, my nigga. You know how much strength it took for that nigga to sit up there and say that? You mean it wasn't about being afraid of this nigga and afraid of what Kendrick was? His response was going to be, I have. I have zero. Like, if I was 99% on OJ, I'm fucking a zero or no, I mean, like, let's put it 100%. I'm 100% that Kendrick. I mean, I. Kendrick. But Cole was afraid of the retaliation. It had more to do with him. [01:10:26] Speaker A: Yeah, he said it. He said, it's in my spirit. [01:10:28] Speaker B: It had more to do with him than fucking worrying about the bars that were about to come back at him. So anybody that goes, oh, well, he was afraid of Kendrick. That, to me, you don't. Again, that's just like you telling me that fucking Barry Sanders ain't a fucking top running back. You just don't understand rap. You just don't understand. You're a low hanging, surface level nigga, low vibration. You just a surface level motherfucker that don't get it. But. And I'm not here to fucking try. You can't save everybody. And I'm not going to argue with you about it, because again, you have your opinion. And do you but from the J. [01:11:01] Speaker A: Cole fan, the reason why I said he let the fans down. Cause we've been defending you. I feel like he held y'all up. Yeah, I feel like he made y'all have something to be proud about. He did what? Nigga, you can't be proud. No, what I'm saying, his music did make us proud. His statement is something that you should be holding up. Y'all should be. Y'all should be carrying this dude's flag right now. This is the problem, though. I see what you're saying. The mature thing, I get it. But I'm simply talking about when the fans come and have a conversation about rap, and I'm talking about the fans, when they have a conversation about rap, they should be like, yo, y'all tripping. My nigga did his thing. Y'all don't recognize the value that he provided to the community, to the culture. All y'all wanna see is fucking reality tv. And if that's what y'all wanna see, watch reality tv. There's nothing admirable about being in a beef. There's nothing sporty about being in a beef. It's not the same as going on court. On the court. And LeBron and Steph playing, because LeBron and Steph, first of all, are going to make millions of dollars off that game, and they're going to be able to, once they're done, walk away from that shit and come back another day. Rap is not that way. Offset is dead. King Von is dead. Name a name. Take off. That's what I meant. Name a oblock nigga that's not dead or shot more than once. This not fun, but outfit ain't fun, nigga. And you keep saying, well, Kendrick and Cole wouldn't get there, but they would have said that about some other people, too, who knew Amigo would get killed. Yeah. And that Migo got killed off random. It wasn't. [01:12:29] Speaker B: But it doesn't say so, right. Well, so this is. And then the thing about it, too, right? Like, is you keep. [01:12:36] Speaker A: You know, I'm simply. [01:12:37] Speaker B: He represented, right? Seven minute drill. Okay, just on that. What'd you think about that? [01:12:43] Speaker A: I love it. I say it was a perfect jab. [01:12:45] Speaker B: Okay, again. So again, he did. He exhibited what his capabilities were, which. [01:12:50] Speaker A: Is the reason why, as the fans was like, oh, we can get more. Yeah. But the problem here is that you. [01:12:56] Speaker B: Guys, you're the fucking crowd in the fucking roman arena. You just want to see the christians die, right? You just want to see a motherfucker get eaten by a lion. [01:13:04] Speaker A: I wanted him to be an undisputed champion. Do you know why they did the Coliseum games? Why they did the games? To distract us. No, but us to distract the day to day people. Well, the roman empire, whenever they started falling apart and they were starting to be situations where people are thinking about rising up and rebelling against the. The emperor, they did something like that. It was just a way to give something to the fans. And so they got caught up in this thing. And there's no difference in this, right? J Cole gave y'all something to stand on and be proud of. And all of you niggas are turning tail and like, nah, the sport, man. It's for the sport. And I'm hearing Joe Budden, and I'm hearing all these other niggas talking that shit. Pusha T comes out like, yo, as much as I really want Styles P. Was it Styles P? It was Styles P. I thought it was pushing. It was Stiles P. Okay, we used to talk about, as the rapper, I wanted to see this happen. However, I can never knock a man on having the integrity to stand. And this is what I'm saying. I'm saying the same thing as style. That sound like you're saying from the mature shit, I get it. It's not coming off the truth. [01:14:05] Speaker B: You're saying you get it, but you don't fuck with it. [01:14:07] Speaker A: You say you get it. The difference in you and Styles P is Styles P said, I wanted to see a beef, but you're starting off. I respect his choice. But, so the but is the problem. Everything you say after that, you just said south had a butt too, though. No, but his butt was. As much as I wanted to see niggas getting a ring and tangle, but I feel like you. I can never knock a man for having integrity. So let me put it. You said I love his integrity, but. And then you talk about the shit that you hate. Let me say. Let me put it this way. Yeah, go and flip it up. The fact that he was able to stand tall for what he believed in, like you said, the fact that he showed pure humility, that's the most j cold shit. This is. He represents his growth. I'm not gonna talk down on that. I'm about to. No, no. This is the growth. But here we go. This is the but. [01:14:57] Speaker B: Here we go. [01:14:58] Speaker A: The things I know he could do. No, if he did, you're not understanding. Then you're still immature to this. Bro, if that's what your opinion, that's your stance, then you're not looking at this from a mature standpoint. Stop. Stop for a second. Just the fact that you said what. I know what he could do. He can still do that. And you still know that he could. Yeah, I know I can. But again, as a J. Cole fan, we have to defend Cole. For the last 15 years, J. Cole has never asked you to defend him. I understand, but as a fan, because you're a fan, you love the rap or you love the music. When you hear people disrespecting the art, you just want to defend the art. Cause you love that art. And what I'm saying and then now. And what I'm saying is by that apology, because a lot of people are low vibration. You just made it harder. Why are you talking to low vibration people? That's always something. I need to figure out why you argue with them. That's my biggest problem. You see? My biggest problem now I feel like he's become a talk. Rappers already hit him. Simba just dropped a freestyle. This. That's what I'm saying. Now. You made yourself a target now. Coming. Listen, I guarantee. [01:16:01] Speaker B: I guarantee, though, right, when it comes to defense, right? Like, so if these other, like, low level ass, bootsy ass niggas just try to. Try to start taking shots, I think that this nigga will mark all them niggas, like, real quick. Like. Like, that's that they. But again, that's not. [01:16:17] Speaker A: Simba slaps, though. [01:16:18] Speaker B: I understand. [01:16:19] Speaker A: I don't know if he would. I don't know if he's had enough time in the game to kill. Yeah, but this is what I'm saying. Simba. So conf. That's why my only problem, the reason why, as a fan, I'm a disappointed, is because, like, damn, nigga, you just made yourself open season. Niggas is gonna try you. So what, though? Like, why you worried about that, my nigga? His mistake was not the apology. His mistake was dropping the song. Yeah, he should have. He should have been able to see further down the road and know he's human. This ain't me. Right? But now you're giving him. When I. When I attack that, now you're giving him credit. And what I'm trying to get you do is give him credit, period. You're not french. Giving him credit. It's just, you're not french. [01:16:55] Speaker B: Especially for someone who is, you know, been a writer for this nigga for. [01:17:00] Speaker A: So you go to gay road trips to see this nigga, right? [01:17:02] Speaker B: Like, you've been a writer for this nigga for so long for you to be holding the stands that you hold right now. [01:17:08] Speaker A: Like, there's no upside to this before J. Cole. [01:17:13] Speaker B: No. [01:17:13] Speaker A: Kendrick and Drake are going to beef, and that's. Whatever. That's a ridiculous battle. So. So that's the thing, too. With more time passing by, I'm starting. Besides all the mature things you guys just said, I do think that Kendrick and Drake, beef has some true animosity. [01:17:30] Speaker B: Right. [01:17:30] Speaker A: Unlike him and Kendrick. Right. Because I've back to Joe budden you just mentioned. Apparently there's some niggas are digging for information, right. Once you start doing that, that means there's true animosity. So I get all that. I guess I just wanted him to be the undisputed champion like you battle test niggas battles. But he's not, and he wasn't gonna be. He's not that nigga. And I never thought he was. And you didn't either. Stop. You didn't think he was that nigga. You didn't think that nigga. In what terms? He's. Okay, so how we talk about LeBron versus Kobe? He's never been Kobe and never will be Kobe. He's more LeBron. But he was talking like Kobe. Nah, but listen, so does LeBron, right? No, LeBron never talks like Kobe. Yes, he does. [01:18:10] Speaker B: Come on, man. [01:18:11] Speaker A: Yes. LeBron plays the passive. No, he always say, I'm gonna make the best pass. LeBron plays the passive, but he also talks smack too, right? [01:18:18] Speaker B: Like individual. [01:18:20] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, you're LeBron. You gotta talk. And K. Cole, he got to. However, he's not Kobe Bryant. He's not. And J. Cole's never gonna be Kobe. He's never been a murderer. He's never been a killer. That's not who he is. But that's not. Is that what we're asking for in the lyrical exercise? That's blood, my nigga. You want blood? Lyrical exercises. Blood through blood. [01:18:41] Speaker B: Metaphorically. You can't just get out there and lyrically say something. You gotta talk, you gotta diss this nigga. You gotta, you gotta run this nigga down. You gotta, you gotta come for this motherfucker. Like, it's. [01:18:52] Speaker A: Listen to the words. He said his album was tragic, not trash. [01:18:55] Speaker B: Right? [01:18:55] Speaker A: Why not trash? Why tragic? That's a nice way of saying trash. He was not built for. For that game. And I don't blame him. [01:19:02] Speaker B: I mean, even in it, it's a stupid game. Even in it, he's saying, listen, I'm a peaceful nigga, right? Like, but I woke up with violence. Like, I mean, if you want to do it, like, I'm really about the peaceful shit. I want to be about peace. But if you guys want to do this shit, I can get on some violent shit. [01:19:17] Speaker A: Here's the second question I was going to ask. I asked you what's the upside? Now let's look at what the downside is. What's the downside? You just lost a rap battle. Nah, that ain't the downside, my nigga. Unless if somebody died. Unless if it did get violent death. Yes. But what about 57 ja rule? Oh, you talking about the downside for ja rule. Tell me about it. That's the perception, the narrative. But Ja, who made great music. But again, that's why I'm saying the narrative is Ja. Will he ever be considered the greatest anything? No. Was he considered that before the beef? No, but he had hits. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Because of the beef with 50 cent and the narrative that 50 cent was able to put on him fucked his image up. Right. And I'm saying that what's the downside for Kendrick or J. Cole? If one of them gets Ja ruled, it could be career loss. You don't think that apology could be that? I don't. I think they're only for low vibrational motherfuckers who probably weren't J. Cole fans to begin with. I don't. I hear a lot of people. I'm the biggest J. Cole fan in the world, but this shit here, them niggas ain't really J. Cole fans. If you were, then you would ride with that nigga through whatever, his ups and downs, his tribulations. You would be part of that. [01:20:21] Speaker B: You understand where this nigga's coming from? [01:20:23] Speaker A: Yeah. This is J. Cole. Finn, this was the most J. Cole shit he ever did as a J. Cole. And why are you mad about him being himself? Cause I just wanted him to. Again, I'm a sport. You should not be him. I'm a fan of the sport. I'm a fan of. Are you a fan of the sport or J. Cole? Both. Nah, nah. You're not a fan of basketball. You're a fan of LeBron. I mean. Excuse me. You're not a fan of the Lakers, you're a fan of LeBron. Well, yeah, but I'm a fan of basketball. Yeah, but you're not a fan of the Lakers. Not a fan of Lakers. I'm a fan of LeBron, but I'm a fan of basketball, so. And you're a fan of rap. You're not a fan of battle rap? [01:20:53] Speaker B: That's part of rap, though. [01:20:54] Speaker A: No, but it's not rap. It's part of rap, and that's not who j. Cole ever was. Nor is it even really good. Most disc records are not even that great. There have been a couple. They're like, the best. The best disc records are probably like the hit him up, no Vaseline and hit him up. Not no Vaseline. Hit him up is probably the best one. Take. Takeover wasn't bad, though. Ether wasn't bad. There's only been a few, though. [01:21:21] Speaker B: Y'all gonna make me lose my mind. [01:21:23] Speaker A: That was a dissolve. [01:21:24] Speaker B: Yes, it was. [01:21:24] Speaker A: It wasn't good. It wasn't a good dissolve because nobody knew it was. [01:21:28] Speaker B: That's. That's what makes it so. Makes it so dope to me. What about everybody's party into the club when this nigga talk about, you fucking gonna have is gonna be hard to rest with the size of the hole in your chest like this. I fucking forget who he was. But that was definitely at somebody. [01:21:47] Speaker A: I just wanted to see. I did. Wanted to see the sport. You wanted to see the blood. I wanted to see the lyrical exercise. You wanted to see the blood. [01:21:53] Speaker B: You saw it. You saw it. [01:21:54] Speaker A: He buzz lyrical exercise on every single one of his records. Everyone. So it wasn't that you wanted to see blood disadmit it. And that's low vibration. Metaphorically. I didn't want to see real blood. You wanted to see the blood. You don't get to choose if it's real or fake. [01:22:06] Speaker B: Why not? [01:22:07] Speaker A: Because once the blood starts flying, it's flying and there's no more retaliation. You can your excuses. I was retaliating. I guess it's hard for me to believe that shit would have got violent with them too, specifically. But with hip hop, you never know. But that's not my argument that it would have got violent. My argument is J. Cole bit off a taste of what he had and realized that that was not what he wanted to do and didn't wait. He didn't wait on Kenneth to drop another verse dissing him back as soon as he dropped his. He's like, hey, you know what, guys? Who out here thinks Kendrick isn't one of the greatest rappers ever? And the fans went crazy. He gave props. He did what he was supposed to do for himself because he felt like in that moment, he was putting out the wrong vibrations. And I don't disagree with him. [01:22:52] Speaker B: Nothing's wrong with that, because, again, that would be different. Like, if Kendrick came out, hit him back, and then he was like, oh, no, my bad. I don't want none. I apologize for this. [01:23:01] Speaker A: You say Kendrick Ken, if he wants to, he immediately. [01:23:04] Speaker B: He immediately, at the next opportunity in publicly, he was like, listen, I am like. He said, I didn't like that shit. I don't like the way it made me feel. I don't. And again, if you can't rock with a motherfucker that's true to himself, then I don't fuck with. [01:23:21] Speaker A: I don't. [01:23:21] Speaker B: I don't. You can just miss me. [01:23:22] Speaker A: Like, you know what, though, Mack? I thought about it. Maybe the people that are saying this haven't really ever done any real dirt. Cause if you've done real dirt before, and I'm not asking anybody to make any confessions on this podcast or say anything that they've done or not done or been a part of. But I promise you, though, if you've ever done dirt, it's not something that you can just put away, right? It's not something you can just to put down. And, you know, matter of fact, a Jay Z song, gotta learn to live with regrets. That shit is difficult, man. It's hard to put away things that you've seen, especially when they're violent or when they have high consequence or you know, you did something that's not part of your character. If you've ever done something seriously, seriously done something that's outside of your character and survived it and lived on, I promise you there, it's not a year that goes by that you don't flashback to that. Yeah. And then as a Cole fan, a couple years ago, when he was dropping the off season, he had an interview with KD, and he was talking about Kendrick and Drake. He was like, yo, I don't even look at them as, like, competition because there's gonna be a time where I'm not doing this no more. And I would rather foster the relationship. Cause there are the only two other guys that can relate to me right. At that level. Right. Um, so you've been saying that you. [01:24:35] Speaker B: Said he fought Diddy for Kendrick. [01:24:37] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, he fought diddy for Kendrick. Like, like, he. Like, he looked out for Kendrick when did. He was trying him for the control verse for saying, I'm the king of New York. So he's always been that guy. I, like I said, I'm. I'm not gonna pretend I'm the biggest battle rap fan, but I love when niggas talk shit to each other. I love it. I go watch smack. I go watch hollowing them. I go watch those shits because I just love the fact that niggas can disrespect niggas and just keep it at. Just the poetry. Obviously, I don't like. Obviously. Does it go violent? Of course. But I do love that. I think that is a tier. Oh, you mad cause I'm styling on you? I think it's a tier in rap. What'd you know about that? It's a tier in rap. Just like a basketball player gotta have a jump shot crossover. But this is the thing, a postgame, I feel like as a rapper battle test. [01:25:23] Speaker B: What I don't understand, though, is this, right? Like, you're talking about the fact that you want that, right? But then you're saying, you know, these low vibration niggas are these, you know, these niggas that are gonna talk about Colby and weak and all this other shit. [01:25:38] Speaker A: The. [01:25:39] Speaker B: Them are the same niggas that take that dis verse where a nigga says something personal to heart, right? Like they. They're like, oh, right. You know, I mean, like, and they fucking, you know, they. They own that shit. And back to what B has said earlier, right? Like some immature nigga that might be out there, like, you know, listening to this shit. I was that nigga. Like, I didn't listen to no east coast rap when it was going down. They get like, fuck the east coast when it was fucking. Of course, I was half of the other niggas. [01:26:11] Speaker A: What was your debate? What was your personal battle? When. When Ice Cube went east coast? He still lives in. [01:26:17] Speaker B: So he went east coast before this happened. [01:26:20] Speaker A: Yeah, but still, though. [01:26:22] Speaker B: No, I was. I didn't have a problem with East coast then. It wasn't until Tupac was like, the west coast, you know, I mean, like, the west is the best. And it was the, you know, all that aisle, all eyes on me from. [01:26:32] Speaker A: A New York nigga. [01:26:33] Speaker B: Right, right. But again, he's the same type of nigga, like. Like Master P. Like, he came and he seemed like one of us, the way he did it, you know? I mean, like, he. Yeah, like, he seemed like one of us, you know, he was a Fillmore, you know, San Francisco nigga, you know, I mean, and then he went, you know, he was fucking around with digital underground. And I liked Tupac when he was fucking conscious, like, wearing a dashiki and shit, you know, I mean, and then it goes, you know, trying to be fucking, you know, insightful to niggas. I fucked with him then. That's the tupac lip shit, right. You know, I mean, strictly for my niggas, all of that shit. I was always with him when every lane he went to. But when that nigga was like, fuck the east coast nigga. You think I wasn't fuck these nigga? I didn't listen to that. I didn't hear Biggie's album until I was like. And when I first heard it, I was like, oh, this not bad. This is not bad. But I fucking didn't listen to none of that shit. [01:27:31] Speaker A: Listening to him makes me realize he definitely did the right thing. Because niggas now are more like young J Mac than ever before. Yeah. Niggas are very, like, sheep style. [01:27:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:40] Speaker A: And so, so what makes more sense to you now? Let's look at it from that lens, right? What makes more sense in 30 years makes more. Oh, no, hold on, hold on. What makes more sense in 30 years? J. Cole is like, yo, I'm gonna be around in 30 years. I wanna be important in 30 years. And then I still wanna look cool with this stuff. Not even necessarily be cool. I want to have stood for something. I wanna be somebody. When people look at, they look at the quality of my life, not the quantity of things that I accomplished. Right? So 30 years from now, are we gonna look at J. Coles being the guy that started or was part of a beef that turned crazy between him, Drake, and the top rap niggas in the game at the time? As if it did turn crazy? But why? But there's potential for it. Why even go there if I know that I'm a legacy nigga, and that's what this is about. This is a brand legacy, right? I'm a legacy rapper. I'm not a fly by night two hit wonder, you know, whatever's on a radio station right now. Artists. I'm a legacy artist, right? I want my name to be in the top five somewhere someday. Right? You're saying, well, to do that, you gotta battle test niggas. Nah. And he's like, well, yeah, maybe. But the downside is so great. The upside is so little. What I could also be, though, is the nigga that stood for something that really mattered. So that beef you're talking about, that shit don't really matter. Like you said, they're friends, so this beef don't really matter. You know what really does matter? Me telling young people, hey, man, conflict resolution is a big problem in our culture. Here's one way to deal with conflict. Now, it might not be your way, it may not be the best way, but here's a way, 30 years from now, which thing is more important, the nigga that won a battle against Kendrick or the nigga that stood up against people who have low conflict resolution skills? The latter. Exactly. And so if that's the case, everybody you argue with about what his. What this battle did to his career and. And this nigga, Kate, he told y'all he wasn't the best, I would. I would say, well, let's give it some years. Let's. Let's. Let's wait. And I. And I personally think, as a cole fan, maybe especially now with all this talk, because of before he dropped the album, he dropped two video, two, like, small, like, little documentary volumes called my delete later, volume one, volume two. Right? And he. And in those two videos, he talks about how the reason why he's even calling the next album to fall off, he's. Because he's about to just ride off the sunset, enjoy his family, enjoy his life, and kind of like, when you make it to the top, you gotta fall off, right? You know, even the last song, the album with Trader truth in the beezer, you kind of put it all together. Part of me does feel like this moment is a perfect example of why, if I'm not about to do this for the next five, seven years, why am I about to even engage in all of this if I'm really about playing this? To really just give you my last. Not necessarily his last project, but probably a project for a long time. Because even in that same apology video, he was like, yo, I don't know how many more of these festivals I got in me. So that's him letting you know, like, I'm about to take a big ass break. And even he said, I wanted to check off everything I did not do. That's why he went on a feature run. That's why he did that. I guess part of my fandom, I wanted a battle, too. [01:30:53] Speaker B: That way, I feel like he's been getting better, right? Like he said. [01:30:57] Speaker A: He said. He said I'm better now than I was, right? [01:30:59] Speaker B: He's crescendoing his career like he hall. [01:31:02] Speaker A: Of Fame, but hungrier than the newcomers. [01:31:04] Speaker B: So the fact that he's at a point right now where he's probably at his best, right? Like, he. You know, and he still is not like, okay, I got it. To prove something. Cause that's what we get into, right? Like, I think that's what, especially in our culture, we try to prove our worth to the mass. Right? Right. We want to show out like, that's why we gotta have the flashy shit, right? We've talked about it many times, like, as a black culture. That's what's ingrained in us. We gotta prove. We gotta prove. And here's a guy going, listen, I ain't gotta prove nothing, really. You know, I mean, like, I do it and that's proof enough. Like, I mean, if, if the fucking me doing it ain't proof. Like, well, I don't know what the fuck else you need. Like, and you just talked about it before, like, if he's on an album with somebody, he's on a feature with somebody the majority of the time, he's probably the best on that, on that, on that track. That's. We battling right here. We just battled on your song, bro. [01:32:02] Speaker A: Like, and I just. [01:32:03] Speaker B: Did you? Like, I didn't do you, do you? But everybody's checking for my verse on your, on your album, on your shit, right? Like, so, you know, that's, that to me is I appreciate and respect that more, right. Than coming out and fucking getting personal and attacking another nigga and tearing him down to lift yourself up. Because again, as a culture that we got too much of that already. We got to get a fuck away from all of that. We got way too much of that in our culture as it is. [01:32:34] Speaker A: No, no, definitely. Especially when you look at the culture landscape. We don't need that, especially from these three guys. You know, I'm glad you you. [01:32:44] Speaker B: I feel like you're turning a corner because when you started this, it's just. [01:32:47] Speaker A: I'm a fan of rap sometimes. I just, I just want to see it, bro. Yeah. You should be a fan of this choice because you're a fan of rap. Because rap has taken a very dark, dark, dark, dark, dark turn. [01:32:58] Speaker B: For real. [01:32:58] Speaker A: Yeah. And now we're getting, we're getting glimpses of other things and you're like, nah, nah, I want the dark, actually. And it's like, what, what about, like, the people that say it's rap start off competition anyway? Who cares? Who cares? Who cares? Them niggas is low vibrational. That's what I'm saying. Anyway, listeners, we appreciate you guys tuning in once again to the no nonsense show. Make sure you go out and check out our website, rare sonics.com. Or you can check out all the shows on the network. Make sure you're following us on all of our socials ononsense. Is anything else, guys? [01:33:27] Speaker B: Nah, that's it. Share the show. [01:33:29] Speaker A: Share the show. Okay. Keep supporting us. Keep interacting with us. And we'll keep bringing the nonsense because we realize then sometimes people just need to laugh. Till next time, 10% less bullshit than. [01:33:40] Speaker B: Any other podcast, guaranteed.