Shiny Suit Podcasters

[00:00:00] Speaker A: The views and opinions expressed by the. [00:00:01] Speaker B: No nonsense show and its hosts do not necessarily reflect views consistent with political correctness or the rare Sonics podcast network. So to get the show started right. [00:00:08] Speaker A: We want to wish any officers of. [00:00:10] Speaker B: The sensitivity police a heartfelt fuck you. What it do, listeners. Hey, no Jamie Mack. So, French Reggie got the intro today, and the first thing I want to say is, I don't think Jamie Mac is to be able to be a truck driver for long. I don't think his body's. Don't think his body's capable of it. How does dude caught Covid so many times? [00:00:28] Speaker C: That's what I want to know. It's not even possible. I think at a certain point, you should be immune to it. Like World War Z, when that old dude was just standing there and the zombies was running by him. [00:00:36] Speaker B: But I've been worried about him because his immune system been going down with the afogao. He's not getting healthier. Oh, I hate to say this. [00:00:43] Speaker C: What if it's Lyme disease? It could be because Lyme disease affects your entire life. Yeah, maybe you should get tested for Lyme because it's like, come on, four or five times. Like, five times. Covid. [00:00:55] Speaker B: And he had Covid for a minute. [00:00:57] Speaker C: Because old folks not even catching COVID no more. This nigga got Covid? [00:01:00] Speaker B: Yeah, because we missed two smoke sessions. Text me. He's like, I don't feel good. At the time, I thought he had. [00:01:04] Speaker C: Like, a little cold. Yeah, I'll miss more than two. [00:01:06] Speaker B: Two since New year's. [00:01:08] Speaker C: Okay. [00:01:08] Speaker B: Yeah. And then next time again, I was like, yeah, I still don't feel good. I'm like, okay. And then today I'm thinking, he's feeling better. He's like, nah, I still don't feel good. I got Covid, so I'm like, shit, so he got a real Covid. [00:01:20] Speaker C: I don't know if truck driving is the problem. I don't know if he can do anything. He might have just filed for disability. It. You are listening to the no nonsense show. 10% less bullshit than any other podcast, guaranteed. [00:01:49] Speaker B: Yeah. All I know is if you go in a new state to meet new. [00:01:51] Speaker C: People, but you're by yourself in a truck, though. So if you were in. If you were a truck driver, 90% of 95% of your day, he took. [00:01:59] Speaker B: A shower at the truck stop. [00:02:04] Speaker C: And. [00:02:04] Speaker B: You said it was nice. [00:02:07] Speaker C: He did say it was nice. In all my imaginings of what a truck stop bathroom would look like, I. [00:02:14] Speaker B: Don'T think it would be nice would. [00:02:15] Speaker C: Not be one of the adjectives that I would use for anything anyway. But, yeah, I don't know, man. But before we go any further, we do need to introduce. We have a guest today. I'm going to let you introduce Reg. [00:02:24] Speaker B: Yeah, I brought a guest today. I brought my boy Colo. I knew Colo for a long time. Pretty much. I like this actually, because I got like two of my real mentors, not Jay smooth mentors with me in the show today. Colo is like my college mentor. And then be honest, is like not only like a podcast mentor, but just like how to leave a decent life mentor, like being a responsible adult. Okay. [00:02:50] Speaker C: I don't know, Colo. [00:02:52] Speaker B: I don't know, man. [00:02:53] Speaker C: We're in bad company, Colo. [00:02:56] Speaker B: I learned from both of you. [00:02:57] Speaker C: His other mentor. [00:03:05] Speaker B: You all keep the balance, though. That's why I'm not quite like J smooth. I'm balanced. [00:03:13] Speaker C: Okay. But I feel that that's good, man. I didn't know that that's how you thought of me. I appreciate that. [00:03:17] Speaker B: Yeah, no, definitely from a light. [00:03:18] Speaker A: I also appreciate. [00:03:22] Speaker B: Avoided a lot of shit with you, but just the way you live your life, the whole CMB approach and just the whole being accountable for any decision you make, that's something I really took from you. And then I try to implement in my life. For sure. [00:03:34] Speaker C: Absolutely. Nice. [00:03:35] Speaker B: I love got my boy Colo with me. [00:03:38] Speaker C: I do want to welcome Colo. First. [00:03:40] Speaker A: Of all, thank you. [00:03:40] Speaker C: But I'd be remiss if I didn't mention how upset Jamie Mack is about to be when he heard that, like, this dude is smoke. He's giving you free smoke. He's pontificated the consistencies and inconsistencies of reality. You guys have gone to the end of the earth and back. [00:04:00] Speaker B: Jamie Mack is more of like, nah, too late. I'm not going to put him in the mentor category. He's more of like, I'm trying to find a word that doesn't sound gay. No, more like a lights guy. [00:04:14] Speaker C: So first of all, if you preface it by saying, I'm trying to find a word that's not gay that really. [00:04:19] Speaker B: Matters because I was about to say, like, my soul twin or some shit. Like. [00:04:27] Speaker C: No, I like that. Let's stick with that soul twin. [00:04:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:30] Speaker C: That to me, encompasses what you guys do together. [00:04:32] Speaker B: That's what me, Jamie, Max, for me, is like, he reminds me of the child. He reminds me to never let the younger of me go away. You know what? Saying, like, for me, that's what I learned from Jamie Mack. [00:04:47] Speaker C: He wants you to remember that kid in that sweater in hot ass Haiti on the porch with palm trees saying, you're poor. [00:04:53] Speaker B: Not the poor poor, but just being that kid and being. [00:04:57] Speaker C: Oh, you weren't saying you were poor. And then you said I was a privileged haitian kid. Okay, that switched up. It hadn't always been that way. [00:05:03] Speaker B: Haiti is poor, but when I lived in Haiti, I was privileged compared to most. [00:05:10] Speaker C: Soul twins. I love it. I will definitely use that for good or evil. [00:05:17] Speaker B: But she was about to ask a question, though. [00:05:19] Speaker C: I can't remember. Yeah, but I don't know what's up with your boy getting Covid so many times. I ain't gonna lie. Most of the times we've missed at. [00:05:28] Speaker B: The end of this year, it's because of Matt. Something crazy. Yeah, something crazy. [00:05:33] Speaker C: Sickness or something. [00:05:34] Speaker B: So, like. [00:05:35] Speaker C: Yeah, we're trying, though, y'all. We're trying to bring it together. You see, we still met tonight and make sure we get you guys a good episode. [00:05:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you for having me. [00:05:44] Speaker C: You kind of. We kind of had to brush by that because of the soul twin thing. [00:05:48] Speaker B: You understand? [00:05:49] Speaker A: You got to dive deeper. [00:05:50] Speaker C: I couldn't leave that just sitting on the surface. But, yeah. Colo is working on a podcast himself, so we'll be sure to make sure we spread that news once that happens. [00:06:01] Speaker B: How close are you? What are you? [00:06:02] Speaker A: I would say we're just about there. We're getting there. Which I'm sure you can identify with a scheduling issue. Just having different responsibilities, different people. He got kids. I got a little girl. It's just schedules, and I know from just watching, consistency is the key. Reggie and I were talking about that before and today, so I was like, yeah, man, it's not hard to be. [00:06:31] Speaker B: Consistent, but that's the hardest thing about podcasting. [00:06:36] Speaker C: I wouldn't say it's the hardest thing about podcast. So I don't agree with you that french, but it has been very challenging. But we're at 800 now. Thank you. We some kind of way figured out how to make it stick together for at least 800. [00:06:51] Speaker A: And that's what I wanted to ask you. What do you think was the glue? Was this the vision? Always. I knew we're going to do 1000 episodes, et cetera, et cetera. [00:07:03] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't think that in my mind, again, this is just me. I don't know about the rest of the team, but mosley. [00:07:11] Speaker A: Mosley likes colo's leg going to town. [00:07:15] Speaker C: I got to call my wife to come get him. I can't speak for the rest of the team. We have discussed it, but. [00:07:24] Speaker B: I don't. [00:07:25] Speaker C: Know that this is their idea either. But I didn't have a limit on how long the show would go. I don't know if that was ever a thing to me. I just enjoy doing it, you know what I'm saying? So if it was 10,000. [00:07:38] Speaker B: I'm going. [00:07:39] Speaker C: To do it until I don't enjoy it anymore. [00:07:40] Speaker A: Okay. [00:07:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:42] Speaker C: You see what I'm saying? [00:07:43] Speaker B: Yeah. I agree with that. For me, the reason why I think we remain consistent, I must speak for myself. I look forward to Mondays to come record. It's, like, therapeutic for me. [00:07:54] Speaker A: I definitely agree. I definitely agree. It's definitely been a very thing that you have made sure that you've taken care of in your life to the point that that's what we know about you. I can look and say it's Monday at a certain time. [00:08:07] Speaker C: I know where he's at. [00:08:08] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's how serious he have always taken it. And I don't know. I want you to know how it looks like from somebody on the outside. It's like, I got a homeboy that's, like, legitly on a podcast. To me, that's kind of a big thing. And he's always, just always taking it serious. Like, my brother knows that that's the time, and we've even lived together at one point, know that that's where he was going to be at that time. [00:08:36] Speaker C: Yeah, that's true, man. I think that with me, my situation, my whole family is involved in it because it's at my house, and we haven't always been in this room. So all the rooms we've been in, we're about to move back downstairs to the room that's off. The living room that you didn't see is closed right now, but that's no longer in my office, and it's going to be the new studio, so it's going to be back downstairs. That's where we started. Then we moved out to the main room, which is underneath us. It's got the projector in it now, the living room area. We were out there for a while, and then we were in the other main room. That's now the living room for a while, and then we came up here. So we've taken the whole house over every Monday since 2014. So my wife is a good person. [00:09:15] Speaker A: Yes. [00:09:16] Speaker C: She deals. [00:09:17] Speaker A: It's been nine years. [00:09:19] Speaker C: Yeah, man. We've been doing this salute to you, man. [00:09:22] Speaker A: Listen, and that's a level of consistency I don't think a lot of people have currently. [00:09:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:31] Speaker C: Until this year, I don't think we've ever missed two episodes in a row, honestly. We've only missed probably you could count them on one hand prior to the end of this last year, because last year, we had a lot of scheduling issues with Mac changing jobs and being sick and then me being out of town. I went to Mexico, then the holidays. All that happened, all the same little period. And then, of course, tonight, we almost missed again because Mac has Covid. Other than this little, small, little clump of misses, I don't think we've missed more than a handful of times ever. In nine. [00:10:04] Speaker A: Salute. Salute. [00:10:06] Speaker C: Yeah. And we were doing two episodes a week in the beginning. [00:10:08] Speaker B: So what's the hardest thing about podcasting? [00:10:10] Speaker C: Breaking through? Well, okay, so are we talking about for us, or are we talking about podcasting, period? [00:10:13] Speaker B: Let's answer both. Let's start with podcasting, period, and then go from. [00:10:16] Speaker C: Okay, the hardest thing about podcasting, period, I think, still comes down to talent. [00:10:22] Speaker B: The talent of the podcasters. Okay. [00:10:25] Speaker C: Because it doesn't matter what else you're doing, if they suck, if people suck. [00:10:29] Speaker B: Well, sometimes, from what I'm seeing in. [00:10:31] Speaker C: The landscape, a lot of the name, the ones that suck, that have still been 800 episodes. [00:10:36] Speaker B: No. [00:10:36] Speaker C: In ten years. [00:10:37] Speaker B: Not that. [00:10:38] Speaker C: Right. [00:10:39] Speaker B: I think that just the viral moment. [00:10:40] Speaker C: The main part, though. But see, Bavara moments. Who knows how much success you get from a viral moment? Sometimes they're astronomical and it's a launch pad for whatever else you got going on. But sometimes it's just a moment like, where's the dude? The homeless guy who can sing real good. He's got that great voice, the golden voice. What was his name? Where is he now? [00:11:02] Speaker B: It hadn't been that many years. [00:11:03] Speaker C: This has been, what, the past five, six years? How about guiding. Where is he at? [00:11:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, listen. No, Welvin. [00:11:13] Speaker C: Welvin the Great. [00:11:14] Speaker A: And listen. They actually did an update on him. [00:11:16] Speaker B: Did they? [00:11:17] Speaker A: He's not doing good. [00:11:18] Speaker C: You see what I'm saying? And tell me, who don't know guiding, right? Who don't know that. Who doesn't remember that. Viral. [00:11:25] Speaker A: You can put that in a bar. [00:11:27] Speaker C: You know what I'm saying? So viral doesn't really mean anything. I think that the longevity part is what I'm saying. You got to have actual talent. That's what separates some of these Instagram comedians from. You start seeing who are the ones that are finally getting up on stage and doing a real comedy act. Not just a little skits that they can copy from somebody else that they've seen, but actually give you an hour or let's just say 15 minutes of original stand up comedy. You know what I'm saying? [00:11:52] Speaker B: That's true. [00:11:53] Speaker C: It's tough. So that's what I say is the most important part of podcasting overall for our podcast. The hardest part is managing, marketing, promotion, social media, and outreach. [00:12:09] Speaker B: Do you think with our podcast, especially since we don't do video, because I was talking to somebody about that. He says, that's probably the hardest thing. It's like, if you don't do video. [00:12:17] Speaker C: Especially now, the hardest thing is not doing video. [00:12:20] Speaker B: Yeah, he said, because if you don't do video, especially now, maybe when we started, it would have worked. But he said, now if you don't have a video format to it due to the way the algorithms are set, and first of all, they don't even let your own followers see your shit. [00:12:34] Speaker C: Right? [00:12:34] Speaker B: So it's like, once you. They were saying, like, videos is the key to podcasting. Now it's not even an audio adventure anymore. And I remember when we first started, there was a time people told me like, no, I can only listen to it audio because I listen to it when I'm going to work, when I'm doing something. But now it seems like the audience switches, like they got to watch a. [00:12:53] Speaker C: Podcast instead of listening to, you know. And Cam had that argument, but that's not something that's new to us. We know that, and we've done video. There's two problems with doing video. One is that right now, all the technical stuff is just me, and I don't have the capacity to do video. But the other part of it, though, is just having the right equipment and knowing how to use it correctly. Because just having a video isn't. I mean, it's okay. But again, without having the talent, it doesn't matter who's on camera, it doesn't matter what you're doing. But I agree that video is an important piece. But you asked me what was the hardest part. Yeah, I don't think video is the hardest part. [00:13:32] Speaker B: Okay, I see what you're saying. [00:13:33] Speaker C: I think the hardest part for our podcast is just getting outreach, getting more new people to listen. We kind of did real good in the beginning, and we rested on our laurels about how many listeners we had. And you know what I'm saying? We did a lot of great months, you know what I'm saying? But then as the world changed, we didn't increase or change how we were going to get new listeners. And that's difficult. It's difficult. [00:13:54] Speaker B: And I think, too, one thing that for our podcast, too, it's kind of hard to mass promote because it's not really built for the everyday person. So it's like you got to find that right audience to promote it to because is, again, not everybody. Because I remember when I was trying to give it to young people my age, especially like the girls, it was too much for them. [00:14:16] Speaker C: Right. [00:14:16] Speaker B: And then I was like, that's kind of weird because I was thinking this was one of the best podcasts out there because we was keeping it raw. [00:14:22] Speaker A: That's what they needed to hear. [00:14:24] Speaker B: Yeah. So I was like, till this day. But I realized especially as the world changed, the world got more sensitive and more sensitive. And I think during that time, we was getting more raunchier and more raunchier trying to go against it. And I think that's probably when we kind of probably missed that mark because. [00:14:40] Speaker C: It was like, yeah, but again. [00:14:43] Speaker A: I. [00:14:44] Speaker C: Don'T know if that's a statement against how hard or easy a podcast. Like that's. That's an opinion about the direction, but as far as how hard it is to do a podcast or how easy it is, Colo was right with the consistency. That's very important. And you were right with doing the things that are necessary, like video. That's important. But as far as what is hard to me or easy to me, you're right. It's not those things. Those things are important, but I wouldn't consider them to be hard. [00:15:15] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right, because that's why all these people, like, I guess, audio providers, they try to just get somebody famous to do a podcast. And usually they drop the ball on that. [00:15:24] Speaker C: That's the formula, though. You get a celebrity who, somebody who can have some attention on them, and then they do something stupid real loud. And then everybody say, what are they doing? Why are they doing that? And then now they got some celebrities. [00:15:34] Speaker B: Was able to pivot the right way. But I could tell Joe Budden, I think, was probably the biggest celebrity that. [00:15:40] Speaker C: Pivot the right way and made it so that he's a podcaster. He's looked at as a podcast now, not a rapper. [00:15:47] Speaker B: Yeah. And then he also made his podcast talent like he grew from his podcast talent, not just being an old rapper. Yes. He used that to his advantage, don't get me wrong. But his audience is there for Joe Budden being the podcaster, not because that's. [00:16:04] Speaker C: What I'm saying he put his foot down, that he's a podcaster. [00:16:09] Speaker B: Yeah. I used to rap, but Carmelo just dropped one. I watched the two episodes he dropped, but it's like, it's still, like, I don't think I'm going to tune in because I want to hear Carmelo, which. [00:16:22] Speaker C: Means it's still Carmelo. [00:16:23] Speaker B: I could tell, like, okay, he's Carmelo. He's a basketball player. He got an audience. Let's just put a mic on with Deesis or Mero, one of the two. [00:16:34] Speaker C: Oh, I did see. That's his podcast. [00:16:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:37] Speaker C: I thought it was Merrill. [00:16:39] Speaker B: It's theirs, too. Their co host. Yeah. [00:16:42] Speaker C: So I'm like, that's a weird group. [00:16:44] Speaker B: That is a weird group. But that lets you know, okay, we just want to make. There's money in the podcast space. Let's get somebody with a lot of Carmelo. [00:16:50] Speaker C: Yeah, but they're both New York dudes. I think they might know each other, too. [00:16:53] Speaker B: I'm not saying they don't know each other. I'm just saying the reason why that business model was just. [00:16:58] Speaker C: And I think it's going to be interesting to see that. Because it's not a sports. Huh? [00:17:03] Speaker B: It's culture. They talk sports, but it's culture because. [00:17:06] Speaker C: Like, Gilbert arenas does one, but Gilbert Arenas is sports. Sports. Steven Jackson and I like it. The other guy, they do one, but. [00:17:13] Speaker B: They'Re more interview based. [00:17:14] Speaker C: But it's still sports, though, right? [00:17:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it's interview based. [00:17:16] Speaker C: Athletes. [00:17:17] Speaker B: They do rappers. They do culture. Oh, do they? Yeah, it's mostly athletes, but they had Cameron. They had some rappers before. [00:17:24] Speaker C: Okay. [00:17:24] Speaker B: But they mostly do athletes. [00:17:26] Speaker C: And then Cameron and Mace are doing a sports podcast. [00:17:29] Speaker B: Yeah, but they did it a little. [00:17:31] Speaker A: Their. [00:17:32] Speaker C: I think that it looks crazy. [00:17:35] Speaker B: I think that's the point, right? [00:17:36] Speaker C: Nah, I don't know. I think it looks crazy. And sometimes it sounds crazy. I'm a technical guy. [00:17:41] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:17:41] Speaker A: Okay. [00:17:42] Speaker C: But I think that those two guys are electric, especially together. [00:17:47] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right. That's talent. You see what I'm saying? [00:17:51] Speaker C: So it doesn't matter that it looks crazy. It looks crazy to me, and it sounds crazy sometimes. [00:17:54] Speaker B: That's why I kind of like their. [00:17:55] Speaker C: Mics be way too loud and, like, it just be distorted. I can't listen to my car. I'm not blowing my speakers. I need those for mixing. You know what I'm saying? So I have to turn them on headphones because it's crazy stuff going on. And then the video is like a cheesy game show set or something. [00:18:14] Speaker A: It do look like a little crazy looking, right? [00:18:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:17] Speaker C: But because of how talented they are, it doesn't matter. Whereas let's take it the other direction. Gilly and Wallow, I don't know that they have the same electric personalities to make that work in that room. They're just sitting in that room and it's like a white background and they t shirts look like the neck is all stretched out. [00:18:37] Speaker B: I think Gilly and Wallow is because of the guests, right. [00:18:40] Speaker C: They just show up. [00:18:42] Speaker A: I don't know, man. I think Wallow does a lot. [00:18:44] Speaker B: Yeah. They're for personality. I'm sure people resonate to it, but I think, I don't watch that podcast all the time. I watch it depending on the guest. [00:18:51] Speaker C: You know what I just thought of? [00:18:51] Speaker A: That's a good point. Yeah. I'm not watching consistently, but if somebody I like or I want to know what their perspective is. [00:18:58] Speaker C: I know why, though. I just thought of why just as I was sitting there giving them criticism. Actually, you know what it is? I think it's how Gilly entered the game. Gilly has been looked at as a villain in some ways. [00:19:08] Speaker A: Agreed. [00:19:09] Speaker C: And so it's harder to resonate with him. [00:19:11] Speaker B: Okay. [00:19:12] Speaker A: Agreed. [00:19:12] Speaker C: You see what I'm saying? I never thought about until just because I was trying to figure out why doesn't it work? Because Gilly is electric. Wallow got stories is electric too. So why isn't it work the way that cam and mace do? But maybe it's that. Maybe it's because Gilly kind of gets that, but it technically has worked for them still. [00:19:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it has. [00:19:30] Speaker B: They still have an amazing platform. [00:19:31] Speaker C: Yeah, but I'm talking about as far as what I was discussing was talent and longevity from the talent. I look at the Mason cam show, I don't care what they're, I mean, yeah, the Mason cam show. I don't care what they're talking about. I don't care what the set looks like that's going to work with Wallow and Gilly. [00:19:49] Speaker B: I think that you said guess. [00:19:51] Speaker C: There has to be a good guess or you won't even watch it. And I'm thinking that the reason why is because we don't relate to Gilly the same. Because he entered the game as a villain. And I know he doesn't probably call himself a villain, but if you remember, what's the first time you heard Gilly? [00:20:04] Speaker A: Now listen, I know because I know the history. [00:20:06] Speaker B: Me too. What's the first time you heard of. [00:20:07] Speaker A: Gilly back when him and Lil Wayne. [00:20:11] Speaker C: And he was complaining about doing ghost ride and they weren't giving him his. [00:20:14] Speaker A: And they was making the Disney. I felt like I was active in that beef. I listened to his version, then I listened to his version. I'm like, oh, no, he ain't bringing the heat. [00:20:25] Speaker B: You see what I'm saying? [00:20:25] Speaker C: So it's like the way Gilly entered the scene. I hate to use the word villain. That might be the wrong word, but. [00:20:32] Speaker B: He still carries that attitude, too. [00:20:33] Speaker C: So there's a chip on his shoulder. He's always trying to prove something. He'll fight niggas and he'll outrun niggas. Now, come on, man. I get it, man. But you came in the game with that energy, and you haven't let that go at all. It's kind of like what precedes you when you're coming. People know to expect you to do this thing, and that's cool. But I just don't know if people resonate, if people relate to it the same way as they do. Somebody like Cam or Mace or have always been friendly, playful, got a know pause. There's all these things around their personality that's more fun and playful, and people are attracted to that part of it. Whereas Gilly, it seems like more like, I got beef and I'm going to expose you, or there's this thing, and it's just contention. There's something contention always. You know what I'm saying? Also, it's just a beautiful story, Cam and Mace coming back together and being. [00:21:27] Speaker A: Friends again, for those who know. [00:21:29] Speaker C: Yeah. You can't ignore how beautiful that is. [00:21:35] Speaker A: Listen, growing up, I wanted to be mace at one point. [00:21:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:38] Speaker A: Like, if people really know I'm born in the wanted to be mace. Mace was that guy. For those who don't know now, Mace was, like almost top of the world if you were like a young, up and coming person. [00:21:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:51] Speaker C: And what's so crazy, his mixtapes were really what put him on, but he complete switch gears and became the mainstream dude. There are people who are arguing that Puffy and Mace are the best selling group in history, and I don't know that they're wrong. They were never considered a group, just them two. If you take just them two, the songs that they're on together and, you. [00:22:12] Speaker A: Know, it is crazy. [00:22:13] Speaker B: So you're not counting Mace's albums. You're just counting the songs. [00:22:16] Speaker C: Listen, what I'm saying. The songs that Puffy and Mace put out as singles, if you consider them to be a group. There are people who selling group of. [00:22:23] Speaker B: All time because that one song alone. [00:22:26] Speaker C: Think about how many songs they got. Think about how many songs them two got together. [00:22:31] Speaker A: I wanted the shiny suits. I definitely wanted to be in the shiny listen, I wanted that and I wanted to like. Me and my cousin would play out music videos and don't touch me because I'm close to the edge and they're walking in the desert with the suits on. I was maced, my cousin was puffy. And that was real life. [00:22:55] Speaker C: So this is an easy segue. We weren't even supposed to talk about this, but I mean, how do we not talk about the Cat Williams interview? So what you said popped out to me. You wanted to be in the suits in the desert and the shiny suit and everything. And the locks were like, we wouldn't put no fucking shiny suits on. That's why we left, right? You know what I'm saying? And did what we did. And some would say that's why they are not as popular as they could have been mainstream wise. [00:23:19] Speaker A: Agreed. [00:23:19] Speaker C: But with the things that Cat Williams is saying about people like Steve Harvey or whatever, I don't know how mean I respect Kat and what he said, but I don't know how many people among us would not have done all the things Steve Harvey did to get on. [00:23:34] Speaker B: Why did Steve Harvey in? [00:23:37] Speaker C: Well, I mean, allegations are know he stepped on a couple of people's heads by stealing their jokes and stealing jokes. I don't know if he accused him of stealing jokes necessarily. He says he stole Mark Curry's whole show. [00:23:50] Speaker A: Listen again, when you think about who know. You know what? I didn't think about it until. Because I remember there was a time I watched hang with Mr. Cooper. [00:23:59] Speaker B: Right. [00:23:59] Speaker A: I legitly watched it. And it's like after some time, you kind of maybe forgot about it. And then the Steve Harvey show comes up. I never made that connection neither. And now that he said it, I'm like, dang, they did. They were the exact thing. Now, technically, if you watch a Steve Harvey show, he wasn't no principal all the time. He was the music teacher and then he was assistant principal. And then I think after the big boss went on, he was the principal. Whatever. I mean, that's getting logistics, but. Yeah, I'm just saying. [00:24:30] Speaker B: But I feel like in any line of business, that usually happens. Well. [00:24:34] Speaker C: So I think Cat's main tagline in this whole thing is that there are people who are not doing it the right way and people were lying on him too. [00:24:46] Speaker B: That's one of the reasons, too. These guys were throwing lies on. [00:24:49] Speaker C: That was the reason why he started talking. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Right. [00:24:51] Speaker C: But I think the message he's trying to give is, I did it the right way, and there are people who are doing this crazy stuff. Shortcuts. [00:25:00] Speaker A: Yeah, but then you get the tag that you're great. I think that's what he was trying to say when he was telling Shannon Sharp. He was like, you wouldn't let somebody on steroids come up here and say, call out the MVP or whatever. I was like, yeah, that's a good point. So I couldn't understand that being an extra fuel for him. Like, you colored outside the line. You stole people jokes. No, I put me and ten other comedians on, and I've been doing this consistently. That's what a real comedian is. You're not a real comedian. [00:25:29] Speaker C: That's what I feel like. [00:25:30] Speaker B: That's the same battle versus lyrical rappers and mumble rappers or pop mainstream rappers. [00:25:36] Speaker C: Oh, like Playboy Cardi? [00:25:38] Speaker B: Yeah. It's like when a lyrical rapper like, oh, I've done it the real way. I got the bars. [00:25:42] Speaker C: Did this nigga have a nerve to come out with an album called I am music or something like that? [00:25:46] Speaker B: Playboy cardi, it's crazy. [00:25:49] Speaker C: It just came out. But what, nigga? You are not music, nigga, I'm music. If we gon'battle between who's music, it's not you, nigga, it's me. [00:25:56] Speaker A: You are the opposite. No disrespect to nobody, but I guess just some stuff I don't get. [00:26:01] Speaker B: I don't even fucking play. [00:26:03] Speaker A: I'm like, what is. [00:26:04] Speaker C: I am music, my nigga. I think it's something like that, I'm sure. What are we talking about? Y'all just gonna let this happen? [00:26:13] Speaker B: That's what Kat's saying. Y'all just gonna let people. [00:26:15] Speaker C: I'm asking you, listen. Cola was like, I don't have nothing to do with. [00:26:19] Speaker B: It. [00:26:20] Speaker C: Ain't my watch. [00:26:21] Speaker B: I don't listen to Playboy Cardi, but I know he got a fan base. That's crazy. [00:26:24] Speaker C: That's not what I said. [00:26:26] Speaker B: I see why the nigga think he music, though. That's what I'm saying. If you listen to his fan base, I could see why he come up with a title like that. Because you would think this guy's God compared to his fan base. [00:26:36] Speaker A: Why, though? [00:26:37] Speaker B: I don't know. And they're sound people. [00:26:40] Speaker C: I'm going to tell you like this. I know everybody wants me to be a curmudgeon because I'm 48. And because you know what I'm saying, I shout out older stuff, right? I don't give a fuck the music that's flowing through my veins. Fuck that. Playboy Cardi is not music. I don't care who, what fans. I don't care if he got 3 million fans and I got zero fans. [00:26:59] Speaker A: I don't think it even has nothing to do with being 48, because even at 33, even at 29, I have a nephew who's like 1415. And he'll tell you, Nba Youngboy is the best thing since license. [00:27:13] Speaker C: NbA Young boy is better than Playboy card for sure. [00:27:17] Speaker A: But for me, they might as well be in the same box. [00:27:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll be worried about NbA young boy because sometimes I listen, I'm like. [00:27:23] Speaker A: What is he talking? No knock to nobody who's getting it. I guess it just don't get me. Lately I've been even kind of dealing with like, man, am I just old now. Is 33 old? I didn't. [00:27:35] Speaker C: Why did you say no knock to people? [00:27:37] Speaker A: Because I understand that there are different times and kids are way different than what we were. We were doing things at a young age and thought that was young. And now those same things are being done younger. And you're like, dang, you're like ten years old. What are you talking about? [00:27:56] Speaker B: But is that gap? I always talk about this gap because you're four years older than me, but there's not a big gap. But somebody four years younger than me, somebody's that's four years younger than me, I'm 29. So somebody that's what, 25. [00:28:08] Speaker A: Agree. [00:28:08] Speaker B: There's a big gap in that four years versus my gap in his four years. I don't understand that. I don't understand that at all. [00:28:15] Speaker A: That's a good point because, okay, you're four years younger than me, which makes my brother four years younger than. And I also have another brother who's four years younger than that. [00:28:25] Speaker B: We never connected with him. [00:28:28] Speaker A: That's my dog. Don't get me wrong, that's still my brother or whatever. But I can tell you his pathway of thinking and the things that he did coming up, I would have never done. And it's, know, maybe reggie's generation was like the last generation to hold on hope. And then that four years after that, done for. Done for. [00:28:50] Speaker C: I don't know. My daughter is in that next group and she's okay. [00:28:55] Speaker B: I think your raging had a lot to do with it. [00:28:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. [00:28:59] Speaker C: Because then that goes against what you said then. You can't say, I don't knock anybody because somebody's got to be responsible. [00:29:07] Speaker A: You're totally right. And it's got to knock them. [00:29:11] Speaker B: You do. [00:29:12] Speaker C: You got to say, playboy cardi is not music. I'm sorry, bro. [00:29:15] Speaker A: I agree. [00:29:15] Speaker C: You are not music, my nigga. [00:29:17] Speaker A: I agree. He is not. [00:29:18] Speaker C: Somebody got to say it. And of course they're going to call me old. [00:29:21] Speaker A: That's a good point. [00:29:25] Speaker B: I think that's what happened. Nobody said it when they were growing up. Nobody ever corrected know. [00:29:31] Speaker C: Here's the problem, right? And this is crazy, because it sucks being black. That's why being black, you gotta rep black because it's so few of us that get a chance. So it's like half of me wants to say, yeah, play what Cardi's music? But I know that he's not. And I don't feel authentic if I pretend like that shit is jamming. [00:29:53] Speaker A: Listen, that was my problem with sexy red. Oh, yeah. [00:29:56] Speaker B: That was my biggest problem with sexy red. I'm like, I'm happy she can get her family out the hood. But I was like, all that's going to do is set us back. [00:30:04] Speaker A: I agree. [00:30:05] Speaker B: Why is it only the sexy red prototype that are being celebrated? Why can't a rap city prototype? [00:30:11] Speaker A: You all seen that video of, like. [00:30:13] Speaker C: The two, three year old singing and the other two little kids, three and four year old holding the guns in the video. To me, that's our payoff. That's what we get. The cost of us supporting crazy sexy red and Playboy cardi. [00:30:31] Speaker A: That's the result, is a video with. [00:30:32] Speaker C: Those kids holding guns and that little girl rapping every line and dancing. [00:30:36] Speaker B: Because at least you were trying to be mace to be cool with a red jacket on. That's all you was trying to do as a kid. You wasn't trying to twerk at three. [00:30:44] Speaker C: Or you wasn't trying, but see, you was too young. Everybody was joking. Puff and mace about shiny suit. That's why the locks had the ability to say that. So people were not. There were two camps they were making fun of. Yeah, there was two camps back. [00:30:58] Speaker A: Listen, it's all about perspective. Because on one hand, I wanted to be mace. So being in the shiny suits and in the video and the fish side to side, that was cool. You know what I'm saying? That was something. Whatever. But then as you get older and you realize life is a lot harder, you start listening to somebody who like the locks, who's got real hard bars, rap. I'm like, no, I would never do that. And you're like, damn. Okay, now I don't want to do that. [00:31:24] Speaker C: It's a difference, though, colo, because even though there were two camps and everybody wasn't down with the shiny suits, right, people still respected that as a form of entertainment. Whereas now it's like, I don't even know that we can call that music the same way if. Especially if it's going to be something to the detriment of our young people. [00:31:42] Speaker B: I don't even think that shit is music no more. I think they're using these things as propaganda to create a lifestyle. [00:31:47] Speaker C: Right? [00:31:47] Speaker B: That's my problem with it. They're selling because the sexy Red has always been around. From a Trina song to Lil Kim song. [00:31:53] Speaker C: But we had a chick named MC choice. You remember choice? [00:31:55] Speaker A: No, I don't remember that one. [00:31:57] Speaker C: Well, you remember Kaya? [00:31:58] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Kaya. My neck, my back was like, yeah, you could not play that. Lord Jesus. [00:32:07] Speaker B: But that's the thing. You knew as a little kid, you're not supposed to play that around your mom. Even like me, growing up, I knew, like, when get Richard died trying, I was not going to play that next to my mom. But I still listened to it. [00:32:18] Speaker C: But I knew I played Nwa around my mom. [00:32:20] Speaker B: He was grown, though. [00:32:21] Speaker C: But no, nwa. I was a kid, kid. Nwa, your mom's white. [00:32:27] Speaker B: How did she even. [00:32:29] Speaker C: She didn't like it. I'm sure I was a kid. I don't remember. [00:32:31] Speaker A: Listen, my mom was not having it. I wish you would listen to a song with a curse word. [00:32:37] Speaker C: I'm trying to think what year that was. That had to have been 89. [00:32:40] Speaker B: Nwa. Yeah, 80. 89. [00:32:42] Speaker C: Is that when straight out of that. [00:32:43] Speaker B: Came out from the movie? It was around that time I had that first CD. [00:32:47] Speaker C: He was once a die from around the way. [00:32:50] Speaker B: Easy. [00:32:51] Speaker C: You remember that? That. Shut the fuck up. [00:32:53] Speaker B: Get the fuck out of here. [00:32:54] Speaker C: Yo, Dre, you don't remember that shit? [00:32:56] Speaker A: I want to say the first album that I had that had cursing on it and listen. Got like the worst whooping of my life behind was a DMX. It was a DMX. Yeah, it was exactly that one. And listen, so many things were wrong with that, because, listen, I stole the tape. I stole the tape, right? So not only did I get in trouble for listening. No, I actually stole it from my cousin. [00:33:26] Speaker C: So you a dirt my family. [00:33:28] Speaker A: Like, what the hell? What was crazy is that my cousin had just got it. [00:33:34] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? [00:33:35] Speaker A: Listen, this is at a time when we had cassettes. [00:33:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:39] Speaker A: Okay. I had this one. Boombox. In my room. So we're at my cousin's house. My cousin just gets it right. I somehow swipe it. Then I'm, like, at the crib, jamming, you know what I'm saying? Going in, my mom, like, busting the door, like, what the hell are you in here listening to? And then she's like, where do you get this from? And then she looked, and my mom had. Knew that my cousin had just got it because my mom was, like, called out. My mom thought my cousin was too young to be listening to it, so I took it from her, and now I'm listening to it, man, listen. I had to call my cousin, apologize, and I got the worst whipping of my life. [00:34:16] Speaker C: Oh, man, that sucks. [00:34:17] Speaker B: Mine was get rich. I remember that album vividly. [00:34:20] Speaker A: Yeah, listen, get rich definitely had a big impact on me. I probably never have wanted to been inspired to be shot. [00:34:29] Speaker B: Yeah. This is why I think Kanye. Because for me, growing up, that's the thing. [00:34:35] Speaker C: I felt like I was 50, and. [00:34:37] Speaker B: Then literally, Kanye dropped college drop out. [00:34:40] Speaker C: I would never assume that the rapper you most thought you were, like, was. [00:34:43] Speaker A: 50, ten years old at that time. [00:34:45] Speaker B: At ten years old, you couldn't tell me. [00:34:47] Speaker A: It's almost one of you had to be there. I'll never forget that. I was, like, listening to 50 cent in my grandma's back room with my cousin, and I just felt like everything he said was like, yeah, I wanted to get a gun and all that. [00:35:02] Speaker B: Anything about 50 cent rise? It was even before Gary, just the mixtapes. He was talking so hard on the mixtapes. [00:35:08] Speaker A: Teach you how to rob and then to just do what he did to Jaru, you're like, yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. [00:35:16] Speaker C: Jaru was jamming this time. Listen. People looking back. [00:35:19] Speaker A: Listen. But people don't really understand how big Jaru was at that time. [00:35:26] Speaker B: He was. [00:35:28] Speaker C: Do this. If you don't believe us, go to apple music and type in Ja rule playlist, man. Or Jaru radio. [00:35:36] Speaker B: I've seen that. [00:35:36] Speaker C: Yeah, bruh. [00:35:37] Speaker B: Crazy. [00:35:38] Speaker C: Back to backs. [00:35:38] Speaker A: Listen. People don't understand. I had every ja rule album, and that's why it was kind of crazy, because I was a Ja rule fan. Like, he didn't give me two good three albums. Vinny, Vinny, Vinny. Good problem. Because, listen, I mean, a good point. Ja rule was at the top of the world. Like, at the top of every feature you want. [00:36:23] Speaker B: That whole camp went down after that, though. The whole murder, Inc. [00:36:26] Speaker C: He was always keeping him up. [00:36:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:29] Speaker A: You think he didn't go in the right room in Hollywood, he probably did. [00:36:34] Speaker C: Open that door, maybe, but then. Are you saying 50 did? [00:36:38] Speaker B: No, I think, you know what? But he built everything, though. [00:36:42] Speaker A: Listen. [00:36:42] Speaker B: No, he built his own shit for everything. For him to still be relevant to. [00:36:46] Speaker A: This day, for a little bit of conspiracy theory. I believe that when you get offered those type of deals, whatever, there's something you have to do. And some people get by because they've already done it. So let's just say you got to take somebody out. Well, if you've been in the street and you already took it out, you. [00:37:04] Speaker B: Already take out somebody they want you to take out. Yeah, that's the whole point of the whole sacrifice. [00:37:10] Speaker A: Sometimes it'd be the loophole. [00:37:11] Speaker C: So you all believe in the whole Illuminati thing? Where was I trying to go? Where I was trying to go was the point. You made a point. I was asking. So the things that Kat Williams is saying that people have had to do to get on, when did we start pretending like 99% of us won't do those things? Because there's a lot of righteous motherfuckers right now talking about, I ain't putting on no dress for no this. [00:37:36] Speaker B: I'm putting a dress for sure, it's. [00:37:39] Speaker C: A lot of righteous. [00:37:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I just wouldn't suck Harvey Weinstein's dick or some shit, but I would. [00:37:42] Speaker C: Definitely put on a dress for 200,000,010 movies. [00:37:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:48] Speaker C: No, I'm not saying you would. I'm just saying that the stakes change. [00:37:52] Speaker B: I'm thinking about it. [00:37:53] Speaker A: Listen, I totally agree that people are lying to themselves. If they say it's a lot of. They could just get in and be, oh, no, I would never know. Some people would stand outside the door, kind of get themselves together and be like, all right, where can I get my money? [00:38:06] Speaker B: It depends who I am, too, in the industry. If I'm a guy, like, talented like Kat Williams doing, I can still live off my talent on the road. [00:38:12] Speaker C: Nah, I won't suck. Stop it. Here's why I say stop that. Because being around Atlanta for as many years, I have in music industry stuff. [00:38:19] Speaker B: Oh, you see, some shit is fake. [00:38:21] Speaker C: All of single, everybody you think is real is not real. They fake. [00:38:25] Speaker B: What do you mean by that? What do you mean that talent is not real? [00:38:28] Speaker C: No, not necessarily that. I mean, more along the lines, the image they portray. [00:38:32] Speaker B: Yeah, like they're really broke, but no, not necessarily broke. [00:38:34] Speaker A: I mean, that's a fact. [00:38:36] Speaker C: It's bigger than that. What I need you to understand is that everything is fake. Not just some things are fake. I'm talking about people who are actually one way are not that way in the media because they've crafted this story and this idea and this perception and these things about their lifestyle. It's like, imagine how everybody normally is on Instagram. They're only going to show you the up stuff. They're not going to show you the down stuff. They're only going to show you when they're on vacation. And they seem to be on vacation all the goddamn time. Imagine that times 500. That's what the music industry is. All that shit is all make believe. [00:39:11] Speaker B: All of it is phony. [00:39:12] Speaker C: Man, it's so hard to sit. Um, I hear what Kat Williams is saying, but I'm sorry, I just don't believe that all his shit is real either, because all this shit is phony. It's not just him. It's not just Steve Harvey or sad or whoever. All this shit is phony. [00:39:29] Speaker A: Now, when you say that, you mean. [00:39:31] Speaker B: So none of the things are real. [00:39:33] Speaker A: What is he not really doing? [00:39:35] Speaker C: No, I don't necessarily mean he's not doing anything in particular. I'm just saying, as far as come up stories and background information and receipts and all that stuff. All this shit is fake. So when you start showing me receipts about what another nigga did, I'm like, bruh, I've seen too much. And I don't know Cat Williams at all. I've never interacted with him. I've never interacted in his team, any of his people, so I don't know how they conduct business. [00:39:57] Speaker A: So you say in that story that Steve Harvey be telling about how he started from the bottom. [00:40:02] Speaker C: That's bullshit. Everybody. [00:40:04] Speaker A: I was giving them money. [00:40:06] Speaker C: Everybody tell me they homeless. And that's in everybody's come up story bio. Yeah, I was homeless because what makes you homeless? We have to define what homeless means. If you are couch hopping on your homeboy's couch, that's not homeless. You got a couch and a roof. [00:40:20] Speaker B: Yeah, homeless is. [00:40:22] Speaker C: Homeless is your blanket, is a newspaper. [00:40:25] Speaker A: What about sleeping in your car? [00:40:27] Speaker C: I don't know if that's homeless. [00:40:28] Speaker B: You can live in your car, take a shower, playing fitness. [00:40:32] Speaker C: If you got a real good underpass, that might be better than walking the street. So I'm not saying you say you. [00:40:40] Speaker A: Had to be, like, really homeless. [00:40:43] Speaker C: We need to define homeless because if you were just for one weekend, you have nowhere to go. So you stayed at your homeboy house, or your mom was like, you got to get a job, or you got to get out, and you decide to get out. That's not homeless. [00:40:54] Speaker A: You dumb. I agree with that. [00:40:56] Speaker C: That's not homeless. Homeless is when you have no choice but to go on the street. Your shit is outside, and you don't have enough money for the shelter. That's homeless. And you got three kids. That's homeless, my nigga. You wasn't homeless. You were 23. [00:41:12] Speaker B: But everybody got to have this fake. Damn. The way you said 99% of the. [00:41:16] Speaker C: Shit is fake, man. This shit is so fake, bro. I'm talking about, it's almost to in a caricature way. Like, you downtown somewhere by fire points, and you see a Bentley come by, you got to run around to the other side of the Bentley and make sure it's not a cardboard stand up that they just running beside. It's that crazy, bro. It's that crazy. [00:41:33] Speaker A: Now, listen, I can tell you from my little internships in the music industry and record labels, a lot of that is fake. Like, I know for a fact. I definitely seen them buy a bunch of Versace, hide the tags, take pictures in it, and those are the photos that they sent out to the label. [00:41:53] Speaker B: Different things like that. [00:41:54] Speaker A: And then they go return, and that's cool. [00:41:56] Speaker C: I'm not mad at you. It's show business. [00:41:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm not mad at you. And listen, at the end of the day, in that particular industry, they're putting together a product. So whatever it takes to put together that product is. [00:42:07] Speaker C: And so this isn't a hit against cat, because the point I'm trying to make is I'm not mad at them for hiding those tags and taking pictures and then taking it back. And I'm not mad at whoever Dave Chappelle or whoever else put on the dress, I'm not mad at them, because I thought we all understood that this was bullshit. And it's just, this is entertainment, and it stops there. I didn't know that we were really trying to make life about being. It's almost like how rappers are. Like, well, you're not a real rapper. You're fake. Know somebody wrote your rhymes, or you're from Toronto. You're not from the. You know, there's that one guy who is from the hood and does write his own raps, and you think, oh, he's more of a rapper than Drake. And you're like, what does more of mean? And what are we basing this on? What are our standards? What are our standards? Because if you're telling me you'd rather be that dude than Drake, you are a fucking idiot. [00:43:04] Speaker B: You are an idiot. Every time that battle, that debate goes, niggas always use tech nine as the prime example because tech nine does his own shit. But I don't understand how tech nine does his own shit. He does have to have help. [00:43:16] Speaker C: Of course he does. And major label help. It's bullshit. Bullshit. All that Mac Miller shit. Autumn, dudes are funded by somebody because technical. Stop it. There's no way he would take his. [00:43:25] Speaker B: Own money and do all that investment by himself. [00:43:27] Speaker C: He could. [00:43:27] Speaker B: He could in the beginning. [00:43:29] Speaker C: He could in the beginning. And then when it gets to a point where he's made so much money, it doesn't matter anymore. But what I'm saying is, that's not how you make. The music industry is set up a certain way to where if you're not. I mean, they had the nerve to call payola a crime. You know what payola is? [00:43:43] Speaker B: Yeah, when you pay the radio. Yeah. [00:43:44] Speaker C: You pay the radio program director to get on spins on. [00:43:48] Speaker B: I think that's called promotion, bruh. [00:43:51] Speaker C: You know how many radio promoters I've paid, man? [00:43:53] Speaker A: What? [00:43:54] Speaker C: And it's legal. I give him a check. [00:43:55] Speaker B: I feel like that's the only way it makes sense to make a song pop. [00:43:58] Speaker C: But it's illegal if you go talk to him. But if I hire a radio promo guy, he can go talk to them. But guess what I owe him. I would say for a content temporary RMB. You know what that is? Do you know? Contemporary r and B? A name of contemporary r and B artist. Just so I make sure you know. [00:44:14] Speaker B: What we're talking, when you said it, the first person that came to mind was like, a genuine. [00:44:18] Speaker C: Genuine could be contemporary r and B. Yeah. So 104.1 in Atlanta. Contemporary R and B. I'm spending 30,000 just to get 150 stations. And they may not even be the a list stations. 30,000. You know how many times I've written that check? They got to be an alien. I've written that check more than once, is what I'm trying to tell you. [00:44:37] Speaker B: Because the thing is, the song still may not hit even if they play the song. [00:44:40] Speaker C: Hold on. And that's contemporary R B. We're not even talking about pop. We're not even talking about hip hop. We're talking about the grown and sexy station that doesn't charge as much. [00:44:50] Speaker B: You know what payola is now? The streaming playlist. The streaming playlist. When you go to. From tidal to Apple to Spotify, whatever. [00:44:56] Speaker C: Curated playlist I gotta pay to get on those. [00:44:59] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what payola is. Now I wonder, the Obama playlist. Who's paying Obama for that? Because there's no way Obama's listening to these songs. [00:45:06] Speaker A: I like to believe that he is. I was just about to ask you, like Obama, listen to gunna in what you said, you thought that this is what we all agreed upon. We thought that this is the way it goes. How do you feel about that? [00:45:23] Speaker C: How do I feel about it? Yeah, I thought we all agreed upon it. [00:45:27] Speaker B: What happened that we just disagreed? [00:45:30] Speaker C: What were you going to say? [00:45:31] Speaker A: Well, I guess my question is. So you just accepted that that's the way it is? Did you just accept that, you know, that this is none of it's real? You're just going to keep kicking it to me or it used to be real. [00:45:49] Speaker C: Do you punish Al Pacino because he's not Scarface? Of course you don't. That'd be ridiculous. [00:45:55] Speaker A: That's true. [00:45:55] Speaker C: It's entertainment. And of course you don't punish Al Pacino. You're like, how that nigga gonna be in a comedy? [00:46:00] Speaker A: He was Scarface. He can't do both. [00:46:04] Speaker C: Can. Of course you can. And we're talking about the rapper Scarface. Then we can use the same information. Do I really think Brad Jordan is Scarface? You could, and he might have some similarities, but believing that Scarface and Brad Jordan are the same person is just silly. Why would you even want Brad Jordan to be Scarface? [00:46:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:22] Speaker A: Do you believe that there are people out there that that's really who they are? [00:46:27] Speaker C: I believe that there are some. [00:46:28] Speaker A: Okay. [00:46:29] Speaker C: But I think that it's still. That's why I said 99%. You can't be both. [00:46:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:36] Speaker C: You can't really. For very long. For very long. Yeah. Scarface couldn't come. The real Scarface couldn't decide to be an actor. [00:46:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:43] Speaker C: It just wouldn't last very long. [00:46:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:45] Speaker A: Is it because he's a bad actor? What if he's a good actor? [00:46:48] Speaker C: The real Scarface? [00:46:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Tony Montana. Yeah. [00:46:51] Speaker C: He's a fake. [00:46:57] Speaker A: Okay. [00:46:58] Speaker C: Tony Montana were a real. [00:46:59] Speaker A: I thought you meant like any drug dealer. Yeah. [00:47:04] Speaker B: Some of them were drug dealers and they became rappers, but they no longer drug. [00:47:07] Speaker C: No, stop. [00:47:09] Speaker A: Okay, so you don't believe drug dealers. [00:47:11] Speaker C: Are great drug dealers? They don't want to stop being great drug dealers because they can't make as much money as they do making selling drugs. [00:47:17] Speaker A: Okay, let me ask this. So you don't believe the Jay Z's or the yogattis or what do you mean Jayz rapper? Turn music mode? Okay, listen, because I'm going to say this right. I always had this theory about people who've been to prison. I felt like people who've been to prison and drug dealers, I would hire them for like, a marketing agency or this, that, and the third. Because, listen, if you could sell crack. [00:47:45] Speaker B: To somebody, crack sells itself. Well, crack. [00:47:47] Speaker A: Crack do sell itself or whatever, but at the same time, when you sell. [00:47:51] Speaker B: Drugs, you try one time, you definitely. [00:47:55] Speaker A: Got a good point. You're definitely. Whatever. What I'm saying is I would hire them. I feel like they have a marketing. [00:48:01] Speaker B: I think hope was a drug dealer, but I don't really think he. [00:48:04] Speaker A: Yeah, back to my question. [00:48:06] Speaker B: I don't think he really lost 90 bricks. I think he was a decent drug dealer. He made some money, but I don't know if he just had the 90. [00:48:13] Speaker A: Could have been 30. And he embellished it. [00:48:15] Speaker B: I think he did it for the sake of the rhyme. [00:48:18] Speaker C: Jay Z was most likely the things that he said he was. However, the problem, I think that the disconnect, what most people I think feel is happening in that situation is the level he's risen to. [00:48:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:33] Speaker C: I don't know that there's another person who was a legitimate drug dealer who rose to that level in another place. Unless you start talking about the Rockefellers or somebody like that, or the Kennedys. [00:48:45] Speaker B: I mean, that's who he studied. That's why he named his label after those things. [00:48:48] Speaker C: I didn't mean Rockefeller. I meant Kennedys. So the Kennedys got their money in prohibition before they became senators and presidents and all that shit. They were dirtbags. Well, I don't know about dirtbag. Let me change that. Because they were criminals, right? [00:49:02] Speaker B: That's what politicians are, too, right? [00:49:04] Speaker C: Yeah, but I don't name another black person that did what Jay Z did that did what the Kennedys did and what Jay Z did and where they've risen to the level that they're on now from that. I don't know too many black people who have done that unless they got a secret life. [00:49:16] Speaker B: The only credit I give Jay Z, according to his raps and the books he written, he said that was always in the back of his mind. [00:49:23] Speaker C: So maybe he was always in the. [00:49:24] Speaker B: Back of his mind to become who he is today. Yeah. [00:49:26] Speaker C: Okay. Who could have fat even in reasonable doubt? [00:49:32] Speaker B: His first album, he was. He said, I'm thinking longevity until I'm 70. Like he was saying, I'm going to build all this. [00:49:40] Speaker A: I also feel like Drake is one of those people. I feel like Drake imagined he would be this big. If you really a Drake fan, you listen to him. As long as I feel like I've been listening to him, I feel like from the time that he got on, he knew that he would be as big as he is. [00:49:55] Speaker C: But, man, listen, y'all, to my raps. I'm talking about talking. Speaking. [00:49:59] Speaker A: Okay. [00:50:00] Speaker C: I don't know that Jay Z or Drake spoke. [00:50:02] Speaker B: No, they never spoke. Like, like. [00:50:03] Speaker C: But let's compare, because I'm not a Nipsey. [00:50:09] Speaker B: Always had to do it, though. [00:50:10] Speaker C: I'm not a do it. Not a Nipsey fan. So let's compare, though. The things that Nipsey was talking about, not rapping about, but talking about, to me, had him elevated way higher than Jay Z. And what was the other person we just said? Drake. [00:50:24] Speaker B: Drake. Yeah. Because Nipsey was doing his community. [00:50:27] Speaker C: You hear Drake and Jay Z in an interview. You don't hear that shit. [00:50:29] Speaker B: No, you don't. [00:50:30] Speaker C: You don't hear that. [00:50:31] Speaker B: That's a good point. [00:50:32] Speaker C: And bragging raps, but all bragging. Rappers brag and say they're going to be the biggest one day and they going top billing. We can go back to what song you want to go back to. It's everywhere. So that's normal. But what I'm saying is, though, for the majority, and again, I said 99, because there are those exceptions. Now, my thing is, people like tech nine, who have had incredible success on what is seemingly an independent market, I don't know that they haven't gotten those handouts when it mattered. And that's what I'm saying. I think that all of them have, because it's impossible not to. The reason why is because it's a game that's already been set up with rules and boundaries. You don't get to come in and do what you even chance. [00:51:17] Speaker A: That's what you feel. You think that no matter what, you pretty much had to play by the. If you're in this eyesight, you had to do this. [00:51:26] Speaker C: Anybody right now who's popping, they've come to see them. If they did it on their own, they've already had a visit. And I promise you, that nigga did not do the cat Williams. I'm my own man. That nigga sat down and did what he's supposed to do because it's insurmountable. [00:51:40] Speaker B: Even if you were trying to be a business owner, you're going to go to the bank for the loan. [00:51:44] Speaker C: Not even that. Not even that. If you got a great fucking idea, somebody going to come see you anyway. You're not going to handle business. And ain't nobody from no organization, or whether that be criminal or non criminal organization is not going to come see you. And you're making all this money in your door. Yeah, they go get a piece of. [00:52:02] Speaker A: That door off first. Listen, did you believe cat? [00:52:05] Speaker C: Do I believe what he's saying? [00:52:07] Speaker A: Yeah, all the things on some of them. [00:52:10] Speaker C: I don't believe he read 3000. [00:52:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that was exaggeration. [00:52:13] Speaker C: Well, I did see him run fastest shit the other day. [00:52:19] Speaker B: But he went hard though. [00:52:25] Speaker A: Listen, here's what I want people to take away from that video. Criticize all you want. He's still over 40. Still doing that. Over 50. Okay. Over 50, doing it. So you can say what he want. [00:52:38] Speaker B: But he says that's his routine, though. He says he wakes up and his exercising is walking and running, but I don't know about that. [00:52:45] Speaker C: Going to college when he's 13, I mean, maybe. How can we prove that? I don't think he said he dropped out of high school, but he also got accepted to college when he was 13. It's like there's a lot going on. The stuff he said about other people. [00:52:56] Speaker B: You got to look at it. And he came with the receipts and then their response let me know. He used on the truth because it never said he lied. [00:53:05] Speaker A: Outside of Cedric, the Ricky smiley one was the saddest. That man was crying. [00:53:09] Speaker C: Why did he record that? [00:53:12] Speaker A: But something I think people missed in what Cat Williams said. He was like, I don't even know why he would bring this up knowing he just lost a son. [00:53:20] Speaker C: Right? [00:53:20] Speaker A: And that's what he said. And I was like, oh, dang, his son did die randomly a couple of months ago. So then to whatever, but, yeah, why did you record that and post that? [00:53:31] Speaker B: Yeah, and then now he got me thinking about the humiliation. Retro. Because I'm like, why would he post that? Because he could have still recorded that and decided not to post. [00:53:39] Speaker A: Know, I think you lost me a humiliation. [00:53:42] Speaker C: You don't know what that is? No, I don't know what you said. What'd you say? [00:53:46] Speaker A: Humiliation ritual? [00:53:48] Speaker B: Yeah, they say that when you join the Illuminati, they got to disrespect you. That's like Jonathan Majors. He's going through that ritual right now. And then that's their come up. They're going to come up from that. Like Robert Downey Jr. When he was a drug addict. This is all part of it. So they can come up. So they got to break you down to bring you back up. [00:54:06] Speaker A: What's real anymore. [00:54:07] Speaker C: Well, I don't know if that would be. Maybe break you down, not break you down, but you need to be embarrassed somewhere so they got something on you. [00:54:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:14] Speaker C: Which was the Epstein stuff, right. [00:54:15] Speaker B: They say that's the biggest one for the biggest culprits. [00:54:18] Speaker C: It's so much easier to live my life just not believing any of the shit, then trying to pick it apart and figure out who's. If Cat's telling truth. [00:54:24] Speaker B: All I know is, my thing is those people are the most powerful people in the world. If there's a group of people that are molesting kids in a private island, it has to be the rich ass motherfuckers, because they're the only one with the time to do it. That's how I look at it. [00:54:38] Speaker C: With the time. [00:54:38] Speaker B: The time and the energy and the ability to do it for so long and not get in trouble. It couldn't be regular Joe that works accounting at State Farm. [00:54:48] Speaker C: Well, whoever thought it was, though? Whoever thought regular Joe at State Farm was molesting kids? [00:54:52] Speaker B: Well, regular. But when you think about the face of molesters, you think of an average guy. You don't think it's the politicians of the world, the princes of the world. The king of sex trafficking is probably a politician. The guy that's really running this kingpin of sex trafficking is probably a senator or somebody with ties to. It's not some guy that runs the cartels in Mexico. [00:55:18] Speaker C: Have you watched that sound of freedom movie yet? [00:55:20] Speaker A: No, but I wanted to. [00:55:21] Speaker C: I was going to watch it. My wife's like, nope, cut this off. [00:55:25] Speaker B: Oh, that's the movie that talks about the sex trafficking, the passion of Christ, the actor from passion of. Yeah, I didn't watch it. I don't think I can watch those. [00:55:34] Speaker C: It's on prime right now. My wife made me cut it off. We was the first scene, and this lady was like, the first scene is crazy because there's this girl singing, and this beautiful woman comes in. I don't know if she's beautiful. I can't remember. But an elegant looking woman comes in. She's like, oh, your daughter. So special. We can put her on stages across the world, and she's going to come to camp with us, and we're going to take care of her. And because I know what the movie is about, I'm like, fuck. She's about to fucking take this girl to be a Sex slave. But then what's so crazy. This is where my wife said, turn it off. Her little brother, who is a little bit younger than her, comes in, and the woman, the elegant woman's like, she's fucking blown away by how attractive he is. And it's a little fucking kid, like a four or five year old. And she's like, oh, you're special. What's your name? And my wife, cut this shit off. She's like, cut this shit off. [00:56:21] Speaker B: I'll be wanting to know how they program, I guess, what they got on that woman to become the recruiter. [00:56:26] Speaker C: I don't know if they have anything. I just. How much money would it take for you to let your. How much money would smith to give you. [00:56:35] Speaker B: This is a question. [00:56:36] Speaker C: Jamie Mac said to let your girl be sexual partner for somebody just one time. We can talk about that. How much? [00:56:45] Speaker B: We started eight figures up. [00:56:47] Speaker C: Eight figures. Okay, so how much would it be for that person to now forever have sex with your girl? She might can still live with you, but anytime he wants it, he going to sugar daddy. That thing. [00:56:57] Speaker B: There's a price for that. Because it's my girl. [00:56:59] Speaker C: I can always go get another price. Give me a number. [00:57:01] Speaker B: It doesn't have to be stalking. Eight figures. [00:57:03] Speaker C: Still eight figures. Okay. [00:57:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:04] Speaker C: So you don't really care about somebody having sex with somebody else and paying you for them having sex. So now let's take it a step further. How much would you need to be paid for it to be a 17 year old? [00:57:20] Speaker B: We can still talk numbers. 17. But when we start. [00:57:23] Speaker C: What kind of number? Give me one more figure. [00:57:26] Speaker B: One more zero. [00:57:27] Speaker C: So what about if she's 14? [00:57:29] Speaker B: That's my conscious. Won't be. I won't be able to live with myself. That's the thing. There's a point where even if you pay me, I don't think I could live with myself knowing that I did that. [00:57:38] Speaker C: So if I'm telling you that I'm not going to give you $200 million now, but over the course of the next three years, you're going to be getting checks that is going to equal somewhere around 200 million, depending on how well we do. Knowing that, as I keep 14, you're like, no, I don't know, $200 million. All you got to do is make the meeting with the parents and let them know they're. [00:57:58] Speaker B: Hell no. Because especially I know how the parents look like, no, I won't be able to level myself. If I didn't have to see the kid or talk to the parents, I. [00:58:07] Speaker C: Could think about it. What would your role be then if you didn't see the parents and didn't talk to the kid, what would your role be? You drive the truck, they just put them in the back and you drive. [00:58:14] Speaker B: Yeah, some shit like that. I would start negotiating there. [00:58:18] Speaker C: 200 million. So I don't have go any further to humiliate anymore. [00:58:24] Speaker A: He going to become in the crowd. [00:58:25] Speaker C: Basically what you've proven though, is there is a number. [00:58:27] Speaker B: There is a number for everybody, for anything. [00:58:29] Speaker A: I don't think so. [00:58:30] Speaker B: But I don't think those people for anything, there's always a number. [00:58:33] Speaker C: So there's no number that doesn't make you drive that truck. [00:58:36] Speaker A: There's no number. [00:58:36] Speaker C: So unlimited cash flow, you get your own island. [00:58:42] Speaker A: And I want to chalk that up to not having it. I can't wish to be 200 million if I ain't never seen or know what 200. [00:58:50] Speaker C: But can you wish to have your entire family taken care of? [00:58:52] Speaker B: I can. [00:58:53] Speaker C: Every single mom, dad, cousins, grandma definitely can. [00:58:56] Speaker A: But not. [00:58:56] Speaker C: They never have to worry again. Never again. [00:59:00] Speaker A: Not for that. [00:59:01] Speaker C: Okay. [00:59:01] Speaker A: They just don't have to take. [00:59:03] Speaker B: When I look at those people, I don't think it's money because this is the thing. I think they got something on them. Like either they caught them doing some dirty shit or they about to kill their mom or dead dad. I don't think the money is going. [00:59:14] Speaker C: To be able to. [00:59:16] Speaker B: I would snitch. I would take that money and eventually my conscience will fuck me up and I would snitch. [00:59:20] Speaker C: No, let's take another direction. [00:59:21] Speaker B: If it was me, that's why I would do. [00:59:22] Speaker C: Let's take it a more uncomfortable direction then. If your parents were on the line. [00:59:28] Speaker B: Would you do it like they're about to die? [00:59:30] Speaker C: No, not die. They're about to get murdered slowly. [00:59:33] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. [00:59:34] Speaker C: No, I'm asking you now. [00:59:35] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. I think that's what they got on those people. [00:59:37] Speaker C: I'm asking you. [00:59:38] Speaker B: I'm not about to. Just. [00:59:42] Speaker C: Not about to die. About to be murdered. Stop saying it. [00:59:46] Speaker B: Nice nigga. [00:59:47] Speaker A: About to be blooded. [00:59:48] Speaker C: Somebody's about to kill your mom in front of your dad and then kill your dad. And it's not going to be fast either time. [00:59:53] Speaker B: All I got to do is just drive a truck. [00:59:55] Speaker C: Well, that's where we're going to start. Yeah, you're going to drive that truck. Ten year olds, it's like 510 year olds in the back. [01:00:01] Speaker A: Okay. [01:00:02] Speaker B: I think my parents might want to. [01:00:03] Speaker A: Make sure you're right. Everybody do have a price is your parents. [01:00:09] Speaker B: That's what I think they got on those recruiters. I don't know. [01:00:12] Speaker C: You're saying you would listen? [01:00:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm not about to let my mom. [01:00:15] Speaker A: Would you be the person how you did that? [01:00:17] Speaker C: I don't care if you like it. [01:00:19] Speaker A: I was like, no, I ain't got no price. [01:00:21] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. Because me, if it's just money, eventually I would snitch and go to prison. I would snitch and go to prison. [01:00:29] Speaker C: Okay. [01:00:30] Speaker B: So, yeah, I would have take the money in the beginning, but eventually my consciousness will fuck me up. But if you got my mom, you about to kill my mom, my girl, somebody like that. [01:00:38] Speaker C: I think your girl, too. Because that's not even your family, right? [01:00:41] Speaker B: Yeah, because I have to live with. [01:00:43] Speaker C: Okay. Good job, G. Money. You made a good impression, I guess is they want to keep you around. [01:00:49] Speaker B: So if you about to do one of those things, I think I can keep recruiting. [01:00:54] Speaker C: Would you be the lady that goes to the house and like. [01:00:57] Speaker B: Because I don't want my mom and my family to die. But if you just. [01:01:00] Speaker C: That's a price. That's not the same price. [01:01:04] Speaker B: I understand that's a price. But I'm saying my initial thing is, I think those recruiters, that's what they got on them. I don't think it's just money. I think if it was money, the system would fold. They would eventually snitch, and their conscience would have fucked them over, or they would have high turnover rates. I think what keeps them recruit is because they know they can kill my girl or my mom if I decide to quit. [01:01:25] Speaker C: And here's my problem with all of it, right? My problem with all of that and what we just proved without you knowing you proved it, is that, first of all, obviously, that people have a price. And it may not be money, it may be something else. [01:01:35] Speaker A: You're right. [01:01:35] Speaker C: But second, though, it's still perspective, because what you're saying is the most important thing to you. If it were your parents being murdered, I may feel like something else is the most important thing to me. And how are you to judge why I'm doing it? Because it's not the same thing as your parents. Maybe I have a crazy surgery that I got to get that costs $200,000. [01:01:54] Speaker B: Yeah, which explains why it stays. Trafficking or whatever is what it is. [01:02:03] Speaker C: I don't know that we're as far away from being sex traffickers as we think we are. We're easy to be righteous and say it's wrong, because it is. We all know, I think, that those people even know it's wrong. Yeah, but something happens, something in their life that's making it be not so straightforward. Because how do you do that? How does a person reconcile doing that to a family and to a kid? [01:02:26] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. They got to have something on them. It can't just be bread. Money is good. Money ain't that good. [01:02:33] Speaker C: That's the Europe that has you saying that. That's what I'm saying. [01:02:35] Speaker A: No, man, you do have to acknowledge that. 200 million is not 200 million. 200 million, that's powerful, especially tax. Nobody would or should be telling you no. [01:02:47] Speaker C: You only have to be around people that say the word no. [01:02:50] Speaker A: You said no. [01:02:51] Speaker C: I haven't heard that word. [01:02:54] Speaker A: I do acknowledge that. While I may not look like I want to do that, but 200 million is real money and you can do real stuff with that. Maybe people feel like they can wash their hands in them. 200 million. [01:03:08] Speaker C: And, you know, I'm the asshole that always has the other opinion. But let's just look at. That's our culture too, right? Let's look at other cultures. They don't hold kids to high regard like that. [01:03:17] Speaker A: That's true. [01:03:18] Speaker C: Fucking kids like, what is a kid? A kid can't even make no money. Chinese people, they don't care about kids. [01:03:23] Speaker A: Bro, is a bill. [01:03:26] Speaker C: Native Americans that were here before they got demolished or whatever, they didn't give a fuck about. They sacrifice kids all the time. They'll storm a village and the entire job of that village was to take shit. And before they took it, though, they killed babies in front of moms and they killed moms and they killed kids and they killed men. As a matter of fact, the only people they would take is like ten year olds or something like that. Ones that could provide some type of. Some type of labor, but also weren't so jinxed already in their brains that they couldn't assimilate, right? So all native american tribes would go in. You expect it? You would expect to get demolished when they come in and they beat you. If they ransack your village, you know, all the babies are dead. They're not going to care for no fucking baby on the plains. That's not a thing. I can't take your baby with me. The baby got to die. And the women, fuck you all. We rape you all dead. I don't know if they raped them or not, but they killed them and the men definitely died. Come on, you'll never be my tribe, ever. So you're dead now. A ten year old. I think there was, like, a story of a little white girl. This is real. That got kidnapped by the Apaches of Comanches or something. There's, like a book written on it, and she had blue eyes and everything. They got her back many years later, and she didn't even want to go back. [01:04:37] Speaker A: Yeah, by that time, she wanted to be indian. Yeah, she was married in. [01:04:40] Speaker C: Or something like that. She had a kid. [01:04:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:42] Speaker C: I think her kid became the leader of that tribe or something. [01:04:46] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. [01:04:48] Speaker C: This whole thing about women and children, first, that's some american shit. That's some western shit. That's definitely not. That's not everywhere. So you're saying you wouldn't do it because we hold kids and women so high, but in another country, like, man, fuck a kid. Yeah. I mean, kids don't make no. [01:05:03] Speaker B: Remember, like, when I was in China, when I went to that russian bar, and I saw that group of line of girls just walking, and nobody said. Everybody knew to shut the fuck up. [01:05:12] Speaker C: And how many did you save? [01:05:13] Speaker B: I didn't save none of them. [01:05:14] Speaker C: You don't feel that on your heart? [01:05:16] Speaker B: But I felt like if I tried to save him, I would have died. [01:05:18] Speaker C: But you just got to snitch and go to prison if you did this kid thing here. [01:05:23] Speaker A: I need a little. [01:05:25] Speaker B: Know. I was living, like, North China, close to the russian border. So one day we decided to take a trip to Russia. But, like, right at the border, there's this bar. And then when I was just chilling in the bar with the people I was working with and everything out of the bar, a group of russian women, but they were all dressed randomly. Not, like, seductive, but one just had a t shirt on. One just had a long look like they were in a container. Like those shipment containers. They were in there for a while because it was next to a port. That bar was like. [01:05:55] Speaker A: So you were a witness of human trafficking? [01:05:57] Speaker C: He was complacent. [01:06:03] Speaker B: When they walked, the energy in the room switching. They knew to act like they didn't see shit. Like everybody at the bar knew to act like they didn't see shit. [01:06:11] Speaker A: I never knew that. [01:06:12] Speaker B: So you got to follow the crowd. [01:06:15] Speaker C: You don't got to, man, but you got to stand up for what's right. [01:06:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I would have. Yeah, they would have fucked me up. [01:06:21] Speaker A: Yeah. What do you do in that situation? You know what? [01:06:25] Speaker B: Because we already knew it was different. [01:06:27] Speaker A: As sad as this sounds, the key to life is not in your business. [01:06:29] Speaker C: So okay, if that's the case, then why can't you just drive the truck for 200 million? [01:06:33] Speaker A: Because that's not minding your business. [01:06:36] Speaker B: You're part of that business. [01:06:39] Speaker C: Sit in the front and mind your fucking business. You don't know what we do. [01:06:45] Speaker A: You got to mind your business. Minding your business should not have you in that business. There you go. There you go. Minding your business should not have you in that business. [01:06:56] Speaker C: That's the only thing I wanted to call out was, since when? That whole rap, keeping it real shit, doesn't work anywhere else. So why is it happening in the comedy now? What are we doing? [01:07:10] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. Where did we go to where that's. You're not real. You're not street in the. [01:07:16] Speaker C: Chris Brown is a blood. Where did this happen? When did this happen to where keeping it real was more important than having talent and doing what is necessary in a certain business. We know this about entertainment. These are the rules. This is how it looks. This is how it feels. This is how it sounds. Now you come in like, no, I'm keeping it real, man. That don't really work. Many times. [01:07:39] Speaker A: Yeah, a lot of times it don't. [01:07:40] Speaker C: If Cat is capable of that, and that's what he's doing, cool. But it's just unlikely because there's so many people who tried that route and are sitting at home right now broke. So is he superhuman because he could do it, or is he lying too? I don't know. [01:07:55] Speaker B: I think it's probably a little bit of both. Like you say, to be that guy in any industry, people have to come to you. But I think because he did it the hard way, necessary. He does have 19 stand up. He did 19 different new material. Right? Kevin Hart can say that. You know what I'm saying? I think because he went to that level of hard work, it's like us doing 800 to 1000 episodes and we look at somebody that I guess you see, I don't even have that hater bone in my body because I wouldn't even hate in somebody that does 20 episodes and got famous. I don't think I'll feel some type of way because I'll just think that was their path. [01:08:34] Speaker C: That's me who did 20 episodes and got famous. [01:08:36] Speaker B: I'm just saying, if somebody did that, like, oh, that Bobby Altoff girl, that white girl that ended up interviewing Drake. [01:08:41] Speaker C: You don't know where, but you don't know. [01:08:42] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. [01:08:43] Speaker C: Her story. [01:08:43] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying, that's why I personally wouldn't hate, but I know people like somebody else. [01:08:48] Speaker C: You misunderstand what I'm saying. Bobby Altoff or whoever, she ain't do nothing. It doesn't happen that way. She's got something else going on that we don't know about. And I'd be willing to put my money on that. I don't know for sure that she didn't just organically get a Drake interview in our first ten interviews. I don't know that she didn't. Maybe she did, but what are the chances of that? [01:09:11] Speaker A: Yeah, what are the chances? [01:09:14] Speaker C: Something else. We don't know who she's tied to. [01:09:17] Speaker B: But if, let's say we were famous and we got mad at that, we go to an interview like, yeah, she got the Drake interview. I've been working 800 episodes to get the Drake interview. [01:09:25] Speaker C: But that's what I'm saying. She didn't get the Drake interview. But that's what I'm saying. But the baby is Rick James nephew. This not magic. This shit is just all there. It's all there. It's not magic. [01:09:37] Speaker B: You didn't know that? [01:09:38] Speaker A: No, I did not know that. [01:09:39] Speaker C: It's not magic, man. This shit is all right. [01:09:41] Speaker A: Baby or little baby? [01:09:42] Speaker B: No, dub dub baby. But he still had to come up. He still was in the diapers. [01:09:48] Speaker C: Sure, but his come up was different because Rick James is fucking. [01:09:52] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. Okay. [01:09:53] Speaker A: Because, listen, I remember being at south by southwest and the baby being there in a diaper, and that was before he was as big as. [01:10:03] Speaker B: Literally. Yeah, after that. [01:10:06] Speaker A: You're right. But that's what I'm saying, though. But for, I guess in the capacity that I went to south by southwest or what, I feel like majority of people who do go out there, it's like up and coming artists or whatever. I hear what you're saying, but I'm saying what happened when I know. I seen him out there. You know what I'm saying? [01:10:27] Speaker B: How did he get. [01:10:29] Speaker A: But anybody could go to south by Southwest. [01:10:32] Speaker C: What I said, go against the fact that he was at south by Southwest. [01:10:36] Speaker A: The fact that because Rick James is his uncle, that maybe his path was a little bit easier, but I still seen him out there working. [01:10:47] Speaker C: Everybody who is successful has had to put in work. [01:10:50] Speaker A: Right. [01:10:52] Speaker C: That's not what I'm talking about. But there are an enormous, immense amount of people who have put in the same or more work who were not successful. And it wasn't because they weren't as good, and it wasn't because they didn't. [01:11:03] Speaker A: Work hard, it's because they didn't have a connection. [01:11:04] Speaker C: Do you see what I'm saying? [01:11:05] Speaker A: Okay. [01:11:05] Speaker C: I'm not saying that baby didn't have to do his, put his work in. I'm not saying he's not talented, so don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying any of those things. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve what he has, is all I'm saying is that it's not a coincidence that Rick James is his uncle. That's all I'm saying. And you know how many people you could do that with in the industry or the movies or whatever? You could do it with a lot of those people that. Either their cousins or their goddaddy or their godmom or whoever is Sylvia Rohn or know, it's always those little, small connections. And there aren't that many people who are doing it on a large level. The people who are doing it on a high level, on a large level, there's something there. There's always a wire. There's always a connection. There's always think. I think the rule is in the world, in the entire world, we're all divided by six degrees of separation. You ever heard of. [01:11:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I believe that in Atlanta, it's like two, right? [01:12:01] Speaker C: But in the music industry, it's like one. [01:12:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:03] Speaker A: No, for real. For. [01:12:07] Speaker C: Not. It's not a surprise that, oh, the cream rides to the top. No, the cream don't always ride to the top, because I know plenty of great artists that have never been heard of. [01:12:17] Speaker B: You know, to prove the baby's point, he had a good deal with Interscope for his first album. [01:12:21] Speaker C: How. [01:12:21] Speaker A: Oh, yes, he did. Amazing deal. [01:12:24] Speaker C: How did he get an amazing first deal? [01:12:29] Speaker B: That's why even when he got canceled, quote, unquote, he was fine, because he made so much money already. He was like, all right. [01:12:35] Speaker C: That's all I'm saying. I don't ever judge myself or anybody that I see that struggled at being an artist or being an engineer or producer or whatever, because I know that you can work your ass off and still not quite make it for me, for instance, I've been close probably three times, maybe four times. I've been right at the cusp. [01:12:53] Speaker A: What were you doing or wanted to do? [01:12:56] Speaker C: Well, I don't like really talking about on the show. I'll just say like this. I was managing a multi platinum Grammy award winning artist, okay? And we were close. We were very close to doing it, and things happened. Money was spent in ways that didn't sync up with what our deal was and got misappropriated here from the label. And the producers decided that they weren't willing to sign any agreements till we got back in, signed and producer declarations. And just the culmination of all those things made it be a situation where it didn't work out okay. And that kind of shit happened three times in my life, almost, maybe four things along those lines. Yeah. And I don't judge myself for not getting over those humps and being more successful than I was. [01:13:44] Speaker A: Okay. [01:13:45] Speaker C: Because I recognize that sometimes it has nothing to do with me. [01:13:50] Speaker A: Agree. [01:13:51] Speaker C: And I think when it comes to entertainment, a lot of times it has nothing to do with the person. [01:13:56] Speaker A: I can definitely agree with you because I wouldn't say I've had success on that level, but different points of just trying to enter the music industry and wanting to do it, that was, like, my dream. I thought that I wasn't even going to have to finish college, right? And then it's just like, for all the ways that I've tried, the reconnecting with people that I thought I'd never talk to again, and getting in there just at the sake for doing that and then come to it, it's like, man, well, maybe this just ain't for me. I felt like I did everything. I was the good person who, quote unquote, was trying to do it, and it just didn't work out for me. And I'm not going to lie how I look at it now from when I was trying to do that, it's like, man, I guess I was holding out hope that you wouldn't have to do something weird to whatever you got approached. No, but listen, though, I did not get approached, but I was a part of something who the rumor was they had got approached, and that made me feel some kind of way. Well, I'm going to tell you like this. Let me see if I can tell. [01:15:06] Speaker B: You how to say the person's name. [01:15:07] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I'm just saying. So let's just say I was a part of something and somebody told me was like, listen, I know for a fact that they got offered to do something. You know what I'm saying? And he was like, I don't know about you, but I ain't being sacrificed, so I'm going to go ahead and dip now. And that's what he told me. And I was like, okay. And it almost didn't feel like it was real, but I knew this person and respected this person enough felt like he was cut from the same cloth that I was cut from. I was like, oh, okay. Well, if he is scared or really having a problem, then maybe I should be, because we're pretty much the same. So needless to say, that thing did go on without us, and they're still, I guess, somewhat active. So it's like, man, did they. [01:16:01] Speaker B: What is the offer? Is this some gay shit? [01:16:03] Speaker C: Does it have to be gay shit all? [01:16:04] Speaker A: No. Honestly, I don't think they tell you it could be one of five things. One of these things may happen. [01:16:14] Speaker C: I don't know. I've never been approached. It's crazy because I look at my personality, I don't even know that I'd be one of the people that they would even. [01:16:21] Speaker B: Yeah, they probably know not to try you. [01:16:23] Speaker A: Not because you think they don't. You don't think they try everybody to. [01:16:29] Speaker B: Do those type of things, you have to know who to try. [01:16:31] Speaker C: So here's the thing. For all the years that I spent around this shit, okay? And what I told my daughter was, because my daughter's a singer, okay? And she's got a deal now. But prior to that, when we were discussing, we had took a flight up to New York to talk to. [01:16:48] Speaker B: I'd be more worried if it's a girl. [01:16:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll be fair. [01:16:51] Speaker C: Who is that? What was the guy? Dang, I can't remember his name now. He was in New York right when drill rap had. Right before it had started. I can't remember. [01:17:01] Speaker A: The guy's talking about a rapper? [01:17:04] Speaker C: No, not that big. [01:17:05] Speaker B: You talking about a rapper? [01:17:06] Speaker C: Yeah, he wasn't that big. I can't remember. Anyway, the label was a rap label, but my daughter was going to be the first r and b group. We went up there and we had meetings and stuff, and I realized that it was getting the point where it was getting kind of serious. And so the advice I gave to her was, it's very important that you figure out who the hell you are right now. [01:17:28] Speaker A: Agree. [01:17:28] Speaker C: You need to know exactly who you are because they're banking on you not knowing who you are. Here's what a label is banking on. You being in a desperate situation where you don't have money or something's wrong. Or two, you don't know who the hell you are. What they do with that is, one, if you don't have any money, then they're going to try to play the money card against you. And it may be $25,000, but if you're broke and you have nothing that. [01:17:49] Speaker A: Is a lot of money. [01:17:50] Speaker C: You're going to take that 25, right? I had an artist that got signed to Universal Motown on a single deal for 25. Come to find out, after we were part of his deal for a little while, we realized, no, he signed a production deal prior to us managing him, and had given away more than 50% of any advance he gets to the production company in perpetuity. So even after that contract was over, he still owed the production company. So, Universal Motown, he signed a Sylvia Rome, got us $25,000 for his single deal. He didn't even get that full $25,000. He got split in half, day one to go to the production company into him, and we could never get back to that situation because the production company was trying to block it. When they realized we were working with them and we didn't even know who they were, they called Sylvia Rohn. And I don't know if you know who Silver Rohn is, but she was a big deal. She's a big deal. He called Sylvia Rohn's office and he didn't talk to Sylvia Rohn, but he called her office and was like, yo, this guy can't be. You can't sign him. It has to come through us. If he's going to do another deal, we need to talk about it, because we're the signing guarantors on the contract with all this shit. The reason why. I don't know why I brought that up. I'm sorry. But my daughter, I had to tell her to know who she is. Because if you don't know who you are, man or a woman, if you don't know who you are, when you get there, they're going to attempt you with everything. The reason why I don't think they would try me is because I know who the hell I am. [01:19:19] Speaker B: So when you don't know who you are, and they tempt you with everything, what's their goal? To break you? [01:19:23] Speaker C: No. You got to have a Vice. I got to be able to control you. I'm about to give you thousands and thousands and thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars. I just told you it's 30,000 for a contemporary r and b. How much do you think it is for a pop? [01:19:35] Speaker A: Right, so you do think it's possible to have a high level of success and not have to. [01:19:43] Speaker C: Yes, but I believe that you got to be a lucky motherfucker. [01:19:47] Speaker B: You got to do it direct to consumer. [01:19:49] Speaker C: You got to be a lucky motherfucker. Plenty of direct to consumer failures. [01:19:52] Speaker A: Okay. So you as a father, how do you let that be? [01:19:57] Speaker C: Let what be? [01:19:59] Speaker A: I guess the goal is to try to prepare them or prepare her, because it's like, okay, you're going to play in this game. And I know that maybe at some level you might be challenged. You're going to be going to be challenged. [01:20:14] Speaker C: And I'm not talking about Illuminati shit. I'm just talking regular shit. I'm talking about broke niggas doing this to you just because you signed a contract to them. [01:20:21] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. If you got to deal with that before the big Illuminati shit, who you are. [01:20:25] Speaker C: Yeah, you have to know who you are because then they can't tell you who you are. Oh, you should be doing this. You should be at this party. No, I shouldn't. I know who the fuck I am. [01:20:33] Speaker B: But when you are that way, that's when they be like you, hard to work with. That's when. [01:20:37] Speaker C: Exactly. [01:20:37] Speaker B: Industry throw these things at you that stops your growth. [01:20:40] Speaker C: Exactly. And that's what I'm trying to tell you. It doesn't work if you don't play game. If you don't play ball, it doesn't work. [01:20:44] Speaker B: So you got to have to go to the party. [01:20:47] Speaker C: People with money waiting on you to try that. Like blackball them, get them out of here. [01:20:51] Speaker B: So you would have to go to the party. But don't drink nothing. [01:20:56] Speaker A: That's tough. [01:20:57] Speaker B: Go to the party, but leave by. [01:20:59] Speaker A: Eleven. [01:21:02] Speaker C: Or know who you are and what you're willing to let slide and what you're willing to let people do to you. And that way it never goes past that. The problem isn't people going against what they think is right or wrong. The problem is not knowing who they are. So they don't know when to stop. They don't know when to say enough. Because once I get you going, if you don't know who you are and I get you at a party, right? And the doors are locked now, hey, it's whatever, bro. I give you five and I bring two women over to you, right? And they take you in a room and you start doing stuff, right? So you're getting drunk, you're drinking, smoking, whatever you're doing. Now it's 03:00 a.m. And them girls have left, but it's somebody else now, but you still don't know what you're supposed to be doing. You're high, you're drunk, you're in this mood. And now here, buddy. Coming. Hey, man, look check this out, man. This is going to suck a little bit, but this is what we all got to get. [01:21:49] Speaker B: We all got to do this. [01:21:50] Speaker C: This is part of being whatever. This is how we do it, right? [01:21:54] Speaker B: If you don't, those girls are going to say that you rape them. No, I don't know. [01:21:57] Speaker C: Whatever. You're missing my point. The point I'm trying to make is that if you don't know who you are, you don't know when to raise your hand and say, I'm done. Stop. The girls was cool, but these dudes. This ain't cool. And that's like, this is what everybody does. This is how we get down to make sure. We got to make sure you down, man. I know who I am. So you can't make me believe that's the gradual progression from women to that to a deal. I'm good. I'm good. I'm not driving that truck with kids in the back because I know that that's not what I want to do for 300 million or 10 million, you know what I'm saying? Or whatever. You got to know who you are, though. If you don't know who you are, any temptation could get you. Because, for instance, you and your girl, right? You say you agree with me that you're not going to put yourself in a position to cheat on your girl. You're not even going to be in. [01:22:44] Speaker B: The room with a woman. I feel it. I'm out. [01:22:46] Speaker C: Right? [01:22:46] Speaker A: Agreed. [01:22:47] Speaker C: But if you don't know who you are, the reason why you say that. [01:22:51] Speaker B: Is because I don't know who you are. Exactly. [01:22:53] Speaker C: But imagine if you were young and didn't know who you were. I can say no to pussy, man. [01:22:58] Speaker B: I already know. [01:22:59] Speaker C: And then you get in that room and that shit smelling right, and it's looking right, and she's saying the right things and doing the right things, and it's like, nobody will find out. And now you're like, whoa, money. She won't find out. You sure? [01:23:13] Speaker B: It's like, you know what I'm saying? [01:23:14] Speaker C: You start thinking, because you're a fucking nigga and flesh is weak and that's just normal. So you got to know who you are. [01:23:22] Speaker B: The moment I sense it, the moment. [01:23:24] Speaker C: That I'm out, you got to know who you are, man. You have to know who you are. [01:23:27] Speaker A: I agree with that. I definitely agree with that. [01:23:30] Speaker C: But that wasn't always the plan. And that's what I'm saying. When did we switch over to where? Now everybody's keeping it real because we haven't always kept it real. In fact, we've done the opposite. [01:23:40] Speaker B: I think what's happening is because everybody's so fake. The people that think they're keeping it real are doing the real thing or the hard work. They feel like they have a higher vibration or validation than everybody else because you're kind of right when you break it down. Like, yes, cat Williams is, I guess, a much more hardcore comedian than Steve Harvey. But Steve Harvey did it all, man. He's an author. He made several millions of dollars. He has this thing he does for young men every, oh, he stole a few jokes. Stealing a few jokes got him. I don't think stealing those jokes led to this. It's who he is, his work ethic, obviously, the relationships he built and so on and so forth. And I think that's real too. I don't think that's fake, but I. [01:24:29] Speaker A: Think that's like, just like you said, kind of like taking steroids and competing. [01:24:33] Speaker B: Is that taking steroids? I don't think him stealing two jokes is what led him to become who he is today. I think it's everything. I think it's the relationships that he built, the fact that he's an older man, so he's more approachable to do a game show host versus a young nigga. He has more to say, more to tell. He's a family man. The fact that he probably wrote that book because he's been in the industries for so long, he probably became friends with hell of producers to be like, oh, this guy might be the guy for the game show and business acumen. I don't know. So it's like, I think all these things matters to lead to your success besides just, oh, he stole a few. [01:25:11] Speaker A: Jokes so you don't feel like he should be accountable for stealing those jokes. [01:25:15] Speaker B: He could be accountable, but I don't think him stealing those jokes is what made him who he is today. [01:25:19] Speaker A: How would he be accountable today? Yeah, those jokes. [01:25:24] Speaker B: Yeah, he could pay for it with young, up and coming comedians. Give them a platform. Give them. [01:25:29] Speaker C: Who really believes Steve is a king of comedy, though. [01:25:32] Speaker A: That's a good point. [01:25:33] Speaker C: What are we arguing? Because Cat Williams makes me seem like Steve's out here saying he's a king. [01:25:37] Speaker B: I guess because he was in that. [01:25:39] Speaker C: He says it for marketing, though. He don't even consider himself a stand up. [01:25:43] Speaker B: He don't even do stand up no more because he said because of his shows, because of his contract. [01:25:49] Speaker C: Cat Williams beating up on an old. [01:25:51] Speaker A: Maybe Cat Williams feel like. [01:25:55] Speaker B: That'S what I'm saying. It's just like old school has to get mad at niggas shooting threes now. [01:25:59] Speaker C: So you're saying he is no different than me saying playboy cardi is not. [01:26:05] Speaker B: Because Playboy Cardi is really not music. We can prove that. [01:26:10] Speaker C: We can prove that. [01:26:13] Speaker B: But it's like, if you were saying that, it's like niggas that hate on Drake. Now, you may not be a Drake fan, but you cannot say he's not put. Yeah, but you can't say he's not putting the work. You cannot say that's true. That's like saying that. I don't think it's like saying play, but that's like saying, oh, drake, drake. If it wasn't for Lil Wayne, like, no, that nigga still had to do these hours in the studio. [01:26:35] Speaker A: Is there a reason you're not a Drake fan? [01:26:37] Speaker C: It's not a Drake fan. Maybe because he light skinned. [01:26:39] Speaker A: Light skins don't like each other. [01:26:40] Speaker B: Maybe you got a beef. [01:26:43] Speaker C: He tried to say he's dark skinned. I said that shit long before him. I was saying that shit long before Drake started saying that. [01:26:50] Speaker B: You are a light skin nigga with dark skin tendencies. [01:26:52] Speaker C: He copied off me, man. [01:26:53] Speaker B: I swear. [01:26:54] Speaker C: I swear he did that. He copied off me. I need to go on a cat Williams rant about. He's super talented, though, but I don't care for it. [01:27:08] Speaker A: Well, thank you. You know what? A lot of people who hate Drake, they try to act like he's not talented. [01:27:14] Speaker C: No, they hate to say. [01:27:15] Speaker A: And I'm like, come on, man, you cannot like him, but don't act like he ain't out here putting up. [01:27:21] Speaker B: I hated Kobe, too. That's because you're a Jordan fan. [01:27:24] Speaker C: I hated Jordan. I was a bad boys fan. [01:27:26] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:27:26] Speaker A: Really? [01:27:30] Speaker C: I just felt like he was an asshole. I didn't like him. [01:27:36] Speaker B: He was an asshole. [01:27:37] Speaker C: You know what it was at first? It was his willingness. Well, I felt like he thought he was smarter and better than everybody. He actually was. But in the very beginning, remember, I can't remember what game it was. Might have been a playoff. Like their first playoff game that he was there. [01:27:57] Speaker B: Were you still coming behind Eddie Jones? [01:27:59] Speaker C: He was shooting those threes and where they weren't hitting. He's still trying them. At the end of the game, it was like, yo, you just because he was so confident in himself, he knew. But, shit, I didn't know. Yeah, I didn't really like Kobe. I felt like the people that were Kobe fans were assholes, too. And so it's almost like being a Cowboys fan. [01:28:26] Speaker A: That's what you're saying? [01:28:27] Speaker B: You know how you don't like the. [01:28:28] Speaker C: Cowboys just because of that nigga you work with. Whereas every cow, he got his license plate, cowboys, his coffee mug is cowboys. Every year they go, my whole family, them boys. [01:28:38] Speaker A: Yeah, my whole family. [01:28:39] Speaker C: We put it on his Cowboys fan. [01:28:40] Speaker B: Man, listen, they were commenders fan. [01:28:44] Speaker A: Listen. That's the craziest part. How are you Cowboys fan? You live and live nowhere. Listen and listen when I tell you I'm from a huge family, and, like, 80% to 90% of them are Cowboys fans. Ten of us are commanders fans, and it's like you all are nowhere near Texas. [01:29:04] Speaker B: It's because they grew up during their height. I think that's what it is with Cowboys fans. When that generation dies, they ain't going to be no more Cowboy fans. [01:29:11] Speaker A: I don't know. Now people are Cowboys fans just for the sake of being. [01:29:16] Speaker C: My grandpappy before. [01:29:18] Speaker A: That's the one thing that they're holding on to from that person. [01:29:21] Speaker C: That's wild. [01:29:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:29:23] Speaker C: We have topics. [01:29:25] Speaker B: We kind of talk about one of his topics, which was, do you think you got to get approached once you reach a level? We kind of did brush that. I had a topic about CMB. If you don't know what CMB is, key. It's compete marriage, babies. Something black people need to do. [01:29:40] Speaker A: Compete marriage, babies. [01:29:42] Speaker C: I can't explain it for you. If you want. [01:29:43] Speaker B: Okay. [01:29:43] Speaker A: Yeah, bring it up. [01:29:45] Speaker C: Statistically, people that have a high school education, work a full time job, and get married. You still with me so far, will be considered not poverty successful. That study has been done more than once, and Obama actually redid this study and got the same results. So as long as you finish high school, have a full time job, and get married, you will not be in poverty. That's just the statistics. Now, there are some who have, but the statistics will show as a baseline. Marriage, high school, full time job, no poverty. [01:30:25] Speaker A: Wow. [01:30:26] Speaker C: Right? So that led me to come up with. I don't know about come up with, but we started talking about CMB here, and that's, first of all, you have to be competitive. So your job is to figure out a way to be competitive. That might not be school for you. It might be something else, might be a trade. It might be interning somewhere in a studio or whatever it is. For you to become competitive, you have to be that first. [01:30:47] Speaker A: Okay. [01:30:47] Speaker C: And this is to raise black people's status in the world. [01:30:52] Speaker A: Okay? [01:30:52] Speaker C: So, first you have to be competitive. Then you got to get married, because we've seen the stats. And then next, and here's my addition, is you got to have a baby. At least one, because if you're not having a baby, what are you giving to the world other than what you make? Once you make that and you're dead, then maybe it carries on. But the only way that we can make the black population be better is by adding to the black population. But we have to do it by people who have done the other things first. They've become competitive so they can teach their kids something. They can leave some type of knowledge and wisdom with their kids so they're not just fucking dummies. Two, we got married, so we have a structure that prepares them or supports them enough to get the things they need at home to use in the world later. And then we have to have kids. I feel like that's the only way we fixed black. There's no other way, because right now we're putting out a bunch of dummies, and they're everywhere, loudly. And the quiet ones that are doing what they're supposed to be doing are overshadowed. And the world doesn't see black people as those people. They see it as the ones who are out there making a lot of noise. And we can't ever ask anybody for anything because they don't trust that we'll do what we got to do with it. Based off of the ones, the teens in Miami that caused 60 police cars to show up at the mall, I don't know. They're saying that's not real. And it was aliens. [01:32:09] Speaker A: It was some aliens, man. I've seen that. [01:32:11] Speaker C: And maybe one person said it was a portal. So the kids opened. The teenager opened a portal. [01:32:16] Speaker B: They said that when you take that coordinate, that Miami location, the coordinates, and you put it backwards, it takes you to Antarctica. And then niggas really tried it. [01:32:26] Speaker A: It really does. [01:32:27] Speaker C: According to coordinates, backwards is Antarctica. I don't know about that. My point, though, was with CMB is that we had a show a long time ago. I don't remember what episode. It was probably in the hundreds, early hundreds. And it was talking about. I think it was around when. Who was the guy that got hurt, killed that J. Cole made a song for right after. [01:32:50] Speaker B: Mike Brown. [01:32:50] Speaker C: Mike Brown. It was rather Mike Brown. And we were talking about how sometimes the people who they put on tv as victims, we're like, 20 minutes before that he was a bully, or he was the other thing. [01:33:02] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? [01:33:03] Speaker C: He wasn't a victim. So if a house is burning down and we're leaving, like, yo, get out of this house. This house is burning. And all the people in a house happen to be black people, but they're like, nah, nah, we good, man. Fucking white folks. We going to stay in here, man. It's better in here. [01:33:18] Speaker B: We just what we used to. [01:33:19] Speaker C: We're like, this house is burning. It's coming down. You convince as many as you can to leave, but at what point do you say, fuck the rest of those people? Or do you run back in the house to keep saving them? Right? We all agree that you can't save everybody. [01:33:31] Speaker A: Agreed. [01:33:32] Speaker C: So if that's the case, if we're a house full of burning niggas, right, how do we make the people that are outside not be the same people that are inside? We have to create those people, but to create them responsibly, we got to use c and B. That way we're competitive, married, and we got strong babies. We're creating strong black babies out in the world to become strong black men and women. And we turn the tides based on us doing housekeeping. We don't need anybody else to do that. We don't need any support to do those. Those are simple things. And if all of us would follow that, I think that it would change the tide of how black people are perceived in the world. Just because the strong black men and women that we've created will be different, they won't just seem different, they'll be. [01:34:16] Speaker B: Different, and it'll only take, like, one or two generations, a couple of generations. [01:34:19] Speaker A: What do you think is the hardest part about that process in the CMB? Is it the marriage part? I don't know. [01:34:25] Speaker B: Poverty and the marriage part, because we can't compete. [01:34:28] Speaker A: But if you do all three, you're out of poverty. [01:34:31] Speaker B: How about when you start without all three? [01:34:33] Speaker C: I think the hardest part is getting people to buy in, because there's this perception. Like, I had a homeboy when I was. I don't remember what year it was. I remember when I was in 8th grade. When I was in 9th grade, he was in 8th grade. And we both played with the same basketball team. So I know the type of athleticism you have to have to do this. He dunked some crazy, like, windmill dunk in the 8th grade. [01:34:58] Speaker B: Oh, shit. [01:34:58] Speaker C: So he was that kind of athlete. He was a b student all through high school. So further on, we get through high school, b student. But his older cousin was the biggest dope boy in our neighborhood. He didn't see that he had the potential of being an 8th grader who can dunk, windmill, do a windmill, dunk, and also was a b average student. He didn't see that. That is enough to get him out of the hood. He didn't recognize that. He didn't see past the brick walls that surrounded us. [01:35:28] Speaker A: Gotcha. [01:35:28] Speaker C: He thought, well, my story begins and ends with me making this bread like reggie does. Sorry, his name is Reggie, too. It was making his bread like Reggie does. So that's what he aspired to. It's just the information that he was given. [01:35:45] Speaker B: And then you didn't think that way because you're in the same environment, right? [01:35:49] Speaker C: Because you were friends. [01:35:50] Speaker B: Your mom and your dad was home, so you had other. [01:35:52] Speaker C: We're friends. We walked to school together every single day. However, one day, he stopped walking. [01:35:56] Speaker B: I was like, what's up with old. [01:35:58] Speaker C: Boy and his cousin? His young. So we were friends with. The person I was friends with was the cousin. The older cousin was the biggest dope boy in our neighborhood, and then him. So they were cousins. And then the older cousin was the bigger drug dealer. The younger cousin didn't sell drugs. He didn't play ball, either. He just had a different idea about what he was supposed to do. But for some reason, that guy didn't recognize that those brick walls, that's just a wall. You can climb over that wall, you can go around that wall, and it's a whole world out there. [01:36:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I definitely agree. [01:36:28] Speaker C: And he was a smart one. He was a b average student who had athleticism to fall back on, so he had options. Imagine the guys who don't have a 30 inch vertical or the smarts to get a b. Imagine what those guys are thinking about life and about the hood and about them getting out of it, right? So the very first thing is, we just have to get the information to people like, yo, all you got to do. [01:36:51] Speaker B: All you got to do is graduate. [01:36:52] Speaker C: High school and get married. That's all you got to do. And you'll be out of poverty. And out of poverty. I want the world. I want brand new socks and draw. Okay, well, see, now we're doing something different. [01:37:02] Speaker B: Yeah, but talking about competing and how we need to educate ourselves. I just want to read some stats about our kids. This is stats for black students in the San Francisco public schools from 2021 to 2022. Math proficiency, 9%. 64% for whites. Chronically absent, 63% for blacks. 8% for Asians. Wow. And by chronically absence, this is what it means. It means you're missing 30% or more of school in DC. DC is the worst. Apparently DC, 60% of the 50,000 students are chronically absence. [01:37:40] Speaker A: Wow. Where are the kids? Where are they? [01:37:45] Speaker B: I don't know, man. It's so bad in DC. To the point where this whole article just talks about how bad compares to DC high schools, how bad they are. It says one high school has the worst offended. 98% of the student black body nearly are absent. Like, 98% of that school student's body. [01:38:03] Speaker C: You blame the school, the teacher. [01:38:04] Speaker B: It's got to talk about mom and dad. Where the fuck they at? [01:38:06] Speaker C: Yeah, this is what I'm saying. This is what I mean. [01:38:09] Speaker A: Nobody's playing that commercial no more compete. [01:38:11] Speaker C: That's the first letter in CMB. You have to be competitive. [01:38:14] Speaker A: It's 04:00 p.m. Do you know where your kids are? [01:38:17] Speaker C: Right. [01:38:19] Speaker B: When they did the. The complete survey, they said took at least one AP exam. 21% for black kids. Nice pass at least one AP exam. 1%. [01:38:30] Speaker C: Wow. [01:38:31] Speaker B: Math proficiency, 3%. Reading proficiency, 5%. Science proficiency, 0%. [01:38:37] Speaker C: And you know what's crazy about this? How many? [01:38:39] Speaker B: All the staminas. [01:38:39] Speaker C: This is what we need. [01:38:40] Speaker B: But look, what's so crazy about this? [01:38:41] Speaker C: How many smart black people do you know? [01:38:43] Speaker A: Good amount. [01:38:44] Speaker C: Tons. [01:38:45] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:38:45] Speaker C: I know so many smart black people. So what the fuck are those stats? [01:38:49] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? The discipline. No, it's not that. [01:38:53] Speaker C: It's that we're in safe circles. You have developed a circle of smart black people, and it's not the majority. [01:39:01] Speaker B: That's the thing. Yeah, and I used to think it was the other way around. I used to go thinking, like, most black people were kind of like me, not trying to do hood shit. But I guess the older I get, the more I'm realizing we're the minority. I used to think the hood niggas was the minority. They just show them more in tv. [01:39:20] Speaker C: What do you mean by the hood nuggets? [01:39:21] Speaker B: Because the ones that are from the. [01:39:23] Speaker C: Hood knuckleheads, are the minority. But hood people, period, with hood mentality, is the majority. [01:39:29] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. [01:39:29] Speaker C: Of black people. And it sucks because. [01:39:31] Speaker B: And I didn't think that was the case. [01:39:33] Speaker A: Are you saying you felt like most people were, like, middle class? [01:39:36] Speaker B: Not necessarily about middle class, but I just thought they understood. [01:39:40] Speaker A: Aspire to be better. [01:39:41] Speaker B: They understood the value of education. I'm not even going to say aspire to be better because you may not know. [01:39:46] Speaker A: Right. [01:39:46] Speaker B: I thought most black people like when I got to America, my mom was, yo, pay attention to school. You'd be all that lesson, just like you don't know what to do. Just at least focus in school. [01:39:57] Speaker C: You hear how low the bar is? Just graduate high school and get married and have a full time job. [01:40:04] Speaker B: All you got to do is graduate. [01:40:05] Speaker C: High school, get married and have a full time job. The bar is so fucking low. But who's telling our black kids this? Who's giving them the understanding that, yo, YouTube influencer. Fine, if you can make that work. Cool. While you're doing that, graduate high school and get a full time job and look towards getting married. [01:40:24] Speaker A: I definitely. [01:40:25] Speaker B: The getting married part is going to be hard too because they are fighting us apart. [01:40:29] Speaker A: I feel like that's the hardest one. When I asked you the question about what is the hardest thing? I can get somebody to graduate high school. Get them to get married. I don't know. [01:40:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Especially nowadays, even if you see the. [01:40:40] Speaker C: Stats being in your favor if you got married. [01:40:43] Speaker A: Oh, no, listen, I hope to be married one. Yeah. But I don't know if I can. It's my part in the CMB. I can sell finishing school. I can sell getting. [01:40:57] Speaker C: Having a baby. [01:40:59] Speaker A: Might even be able to have selling a baby, not. [01:41:08] Speaker B: Selling a baby. [01:41:10] Speaker A: I guess I am driving that truck. No, I'm saying I can get somebody to graduate school. I can get somebody to get a full time job. I can maybe even convince them to have a baby. But I feel like getting married is the hardest one. [01:41:24] Speaker B: Why, though? [01:41:25] Speaker A: Because people don't have the examples and that's what it is. People don't know. [01:41:31] Speaker C: Even though the studies have shown that two parent households make the best agree. [01:41:38] Speaker A: As wild as that. [01:41:39] Speaker B: Or single parent if it's the dad, because this is the same. [01:41:42] Speaker A: Really? [01:41:43] Speaker C: I don't know if it's the same. Statistics shows. I don't know about that. Kevin Samuels. I don't know about that. But they were saying that Reggie Samuels. [01:41:54] Speaker B: A student that grows up with their mom and dad, their success rate is the same. If that kid is growing up with a single dad, the same for two parents. [01:42:01] Speaker C: I don't know about that, bro. If you say, I'll let you have it right now. I do the research. But the statistics show, though, that married couples, kids of married couples end up doing better. Well, what if their parents hate each other? It's better to be in a house where everybody's loved and there's no hate and that the people get along. Why not just live separate and be no that's not what the stats show, my nigga. [01:42:24] Speaker A: That's why I agree with that. [01:42:26] Speaker C: That's not what the stats show. [01:42:27] Speaker A: So how do you sell being married, though? Because, okay, like I said, the other. [01:42:32] Speaker C: Things are, how do I sell it to you? How would I sell being married to you? [01:42:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:42:35] Speaker C: The way I sell it to you is by telling you, imagine if every day you didn't have to worry about what girl you were going to kick it to. Like, how much of your energy is spent into going on dates and taking girls out and trying to figure out what kind of crazy they are. Because every girl is a different kind of crazy. So you have to go through that, then. That's just your side. Don't think about the monkey wrenches she throws in. I need help this week because my car had. Did a little something, making a little noise, and next thing you know, you helping with that and think about all those things and all that time that you're putting in your life. Imagine if you had a woman that was at home or at work or what. I didn't mean at home. I don't want to belittle women. The idea, though, is that you know where she's at and what she's doing, and she knows where you're at and what you're doing. And there's no stress for you to do anything extra because you guys have already come to an understanding about what your lives are. Not just that, though. How about if I told you, you doing something by yourself? You could be cut in half by you and French doing it together. Same thing with a wife. As opposed to me working on this shit by myself. Me and her are working on it simultaneously. She's taking one part, I'm taking one part. We're going to come back, and we're going to get double the work done that I could do by myself. I think that the problem comes into marriage is when you married the girl. [01:43:49] Speaker B: That. [01:43:52] Speaker C: The trend or whatever told you to marry, as opposed to you marrying somebody who's for. [01:43:57] Speaker A: I agree. [01:43:58] Speaker C: Because a woman can be beautiful to you and be okay to the world as far as the trends go. Like, if you don't have a bug Kim Kardashian body, you would think on instagram that your girl don't look right. [01:44:11] Speaker A: Right. [01:44:12] Speaker C: You know what I'm saying? But your girl to you might be beautiful. She might be beautiful to a lot of people, but if you use the standard of what's popping on Instagram, your girl don't match up because those are not real bodies. So that would be the thing that I would say is that just don't marry somebody because it fits. Marry somebody because it actually fits. [01:44:34] Speaker B: You think selling the marriage is easier to sell it to black men versus black? [01:44:37] Speaker C: I think it's hard with black people just because of our history. [01:44:40] Speaker B: I think it's easier to convince a black man than it will be to convince black women. [01:44:43] Speaker C: I think so, too. [01:44:47] Speaker B: Would be more willing to get married than a black woman. [01:44:49] Speaker C: I think women would be willing to. But when you tell them what the. [01:44:51] Speaker B: Rules are, they like, no, because that's the thing. We always talk about how it's like, for me, I'm married to the commitment. It's not even you. It's like, I'm committed to the commitment because the love is going to fluctuate, it's going to change, it's going to be ups and downs. So I can't even depend on the love to make the marriage successful. It has to be on the, hey, I chose you and I'm going to be committed to you when it's good, when it's bad, when it's ugly, because I made the decision to choose you. [01:45:20] Speaker C: And I take it a step further and say, if I cheat, I'm cheating on me because I made the promise yourself. I made the promise. And now here, how do I look? I'm willing to tell you that I'm willing to going to do something, but then I don't do it. That's bad on me. I did you dirty, too, but I did me far dirtier because I lied to myself. [01:45:37] Speaker A: Right? Okay. I do think you have a point when it comes to. I feel like that's part of why. The reason I had to let those younger days go, I was getting tired, man. Listen, leaving a chick house at like three in the morning and then coming home, and then you're like, I'm just going to carpet dm the next day. You know what I'm saying? Think you're going to get up at, go out and do all this stuff? Like, I just couldn't function no more. I'm just like, man, I'm tired of this. I'm just tired. I'm tired of the late night hours. I want to go to bed at. [01:46:08] Speaker C: 10:00 the amount of focus that I was able to gain from when I got married, well, I mean, even when I was in my relationship and I was a solo relationship, like just us, exclusive, the amount of focus I was able to get access to was amazing. And it's hard to explain. I don't know how to. [01:46:26] Speaker B: So what changed? Because when you were already in a boyfriend girlfriend relationship, why once you got married, the focus. [01:46:32] Speaker C: Well, I said because we were exclusive. It was kind of like that before we got married. But it enhanced it just with the paper, because women need to see that paper. I could have not been married. We could have been boyfriend and girlfriend, and I would have treated her the same. I would have gave her keys to the same experience. So that's just me, though. But I don't know how to sell that because it's so intangible, the amount of focus that I was given, the amount of relief not having to, and then just the companionship of not having to face the world alone. [01:47:03] Speaker B: Yeah, that's where I'm at. That companionship of not having to face the world alone, that partnership. And to be honest with you, my girl's like a little muse to me. She kind of make me want to go even harder. I probably would stop working hard where I'm at now, right? [01:47:17] Speaker C: You wouldn't have got your master's degree because she had one. I'm not going to be with no dominator. [01:47:23] Speaker B: But where I'm like, you know what? I can work another out. I can focus on this because you look like we can build so much together. [01:47:30] Speaker C: Right? [01:47:31] Speaker B: Why stop here? That's another thing. When you do decide to focus and you have that one girl to just build with kind of makes it work. But I just wanted to read these stats because I start to realize, just having some conversation, you got a young daughter. I know she's really young, but I was talking to my girls because the kids can't read no more. I was like, yo, when I was a baby, my mom read books to me to go to bed. [01:47:58] Speaker A: Listen. [01:48:01] Speaker B: That'S something parents do. Parents don't do that no more. And apparently parents don't do that no more. Yeah, I'm like, yo, it was like, till I was like nine, they stopped doing before bed. They either read to me or made sure I read. [01:48:12] Speaker C: And you know what's so crazy? [01:48:13] Speaker B: I thought that was a normal. [01:48:14] Speaker C: Why do you think people read to their kids? [01:48:17] Speaker B: For me, it was so I can learn how to read one, companionship. I don't know. [01:48:22] Speaker C: It was a lot. No, it's just that my dad cares about me. Before I go to sleep, I get attention. Right now when I'm trying to rest and relax, there's somebody telling me the world is safe and that they got me tonight. That's what reading to your kids is, man. Reading the book don't really matter. You can read the same book over. [01:48:40] Speaker A: And over and over, especially when you were younger. That's that book my mind. Yeah, you're right, because we do read the same book over and over and over, almost. She get to the page and she knows. [01:48:52] Speaker C: Daddy, that's not right. [01:48:53] Speaker A: You said such and such, so she's just pointing it out or she's trying to hurry up and get to the page with the monkey on. [01:49:00] Speaker C: What you're telling your kid when you read them a bedtime story is that, hey, I got you. You're safe tonight. Close your eyes, my love, and rest. I got you. That's so much more important than being able to read. That's so much more important than me teaching you the words on this page or companionship or whatever. It's just knowing that somebody's got you and you can rest, relax. Go ahead and whatever you were worrying about today, the bully at school or whatever we talking about puff the magic dragon, go ahead and go to sleep. Close your eyes. [01:49:26] Speaker B: I got you. [01:49:26] Speaker C: I'll be in just the other room. I'm going to leave the door cracked a little bit. I'm going to cut the light off all those things. All that is, is you're creating a safe place so that tonight, even if it's just for the night, you can close your eyes and go to sleep. And that's invaluable. [01:49:38] Speaker B: And I think what happened with a lot of new age parents, they stopped. [01:49:42] Speaker C: Doing these things because iPad can watch YouTube. Just watch YouTube till you fall asleep. [01:49:46] Speaker A: Yep. Till you fall asleep. You're right. [01:49:48] Speaker C: All right, Cole, are you religious? [01:49:50] Speaker A: I would say I'm somewhat religious. I wouldn't say overtly. [01:49:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:49:57] Speaker A: Spiritual. I grew up in a church household. [01:50:00] Speaker C: Okay, how church, like Koji. [01:50:04] Speaker A: I went to different levels growing up. First, I grew up with my grandma, and of course, we went to church on Sundays, easters and whatever. And back then, I would say that's probably my peers time in the church. Like, the time that I actually wanted to be in. I wanted to be a deacon back then. [01:50:19] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [01:50:20] Speaker C: Was this kind of church where people pray and everybody's talking, or was it kind of church where people pray and. [01:50:24] Speaker A: Everybody is quiet, like, no, this is like one old school. [01:50:32] Speaker B: All the members were old country. [01:50:33] Speaker A: Yeah, everybody was old. I was definitely the youngest. It was me and my cousins and I don't know, just like, distant family members are older, you know what I'm saying? We might have a cousin who's like 50 something, and you're eight. So you went to school with them? Damn. And how they would do it is they would do it. They would come get us to go to church, and they take us to McDonald's afterwards. And that's why majority of us went. But it was like, kind of what my grandma wanted us to do. And that was the thing. [01:51:08] Speaker C: Okay. [01:51:08] Speaker A: Then somewhere about middle school, my mom got involved with the church. And it just felt like church kind of took over our lives. I was like, then I was going to church three, four times a week. Wednesday, Monday is midnight, that kind of deal. Tuesday night, Thursday, Tuesday, Wednesday, bible study, Benedict. Saturday, I'm going to youth purpose meeting. Then Sunday, I'm the usher in the church. People falling out, I'm putting the blankets over them. [01:51:37] Speaker B: Were you ever altar boy? [01:51:39] Speaker A: Yes. [01:51:39] Speaker B: Did you ever get play with. [01:51:40] Speaker A: Oh, no. [01:51:41] Speaker C: Okay. [01:51:43] Speaker A: It is not that traditional. I think it was a nondenominational church, but it was like a small church, and that was like, whatever put on by. It's a long story, but it wasn't like the Catholics. Yeah, no, it was just regular church, but just church all the time. So that changed church for me because I never wanted to. I felt like I wasn't like all the other kids. I wanted to be like, whatever. So that was probably majority of my church experience. [01:52:14] Speaker C: Okay. [01:52:14] Speaker A: From, like, middle school all the way to. [01:52:16] Speaker C: But you still believe in God and all that? [01:52:17] Speaker A: Kind of. Yes. [01:52:18] Speaker C: French. I know you believe in God. So do you pray? [01:52:21] Speaker A: I do pray. [01:52:22] Speaker C: Do you pray? Okay. What if you found out or what if the rules changed in praying? [01:52:28] Speaker B: What do you mean? [01:52:28] Speaker C: I'm about to explain. Because you pray for things like, would you mind, guys mind sharing, like, recent things you prayed for? You don't have to if you don't want. [01:52:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:52:37] Speaker A: No. To be just a stable father this year, I pray for success in my business. [01:52:47] Speaker C: Okay. [01:52:49] Speaker A: Yeah. To be able to take things to a higher level to go. [01:52:54] Speaker B: So I'm going to tell you something, because I used to pray and ask for those things. Like, I want to be successful. I want to like, God, please. I used to pray to ask for those things. Now I pray like I am those things. So instead of saying God, I pray you give me the strength and the spirit to be disciplined. I was like, God, thank you for giving me the discipline. Thank you for giving. Like, I talked to it. I am what I'm trying to become. Okay. [01:53:19] Speaker C: So that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Here's my question. What if. Because to me, I feel like praying is ridiculous. Sorry. [01:53:27] Speaker B: Because you got to put actions. [01:53:28] Speaker C: No, that's the ridiculous part of it. You still got to do all the work. [01:53:33] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I feel like the prayer is just a prep talk. A pep talk. To who? To you. What? [01:53:40] Speaker C: Get out of here. So, look, my complaint has always been it that you still got to do all the work yourself. Like when that lady was saying that she stood at the bus stop for ten weeks, and then that couple came by one day and decided they were getting a new car and they didn't need. When they gave her their car, that bitch actually said, thank God. Like, motherfucker, thank them. Who gave you their fucking car for free. [01:54:01] Speaker A: But those people who believe that, believe that maybe God put something. Because think about it, like, she had. [01:54:07] Speaker B: To wait ten weeks, right? So God didn't show up for ten weeks. [01:54:10] Speaker A: Listen, so what if it was them seeing her for ten weeks? That, you know what? This person has been consistent. Got up every morning, this, that, and the third. But if there is somebody that, let's just say the people who are giving the car away, they believe, like, you know what, God, who should I give this to? So. Of their process of getting it down. [01:54:37] Speaker B: Middle school, church. [01:54:38] Speaker C: Why did God just give her a car? Give her a raise at work to get a car? Bro, come on, that's not real. And you know, it's. [01:54:44] Speaker A: Maybe she wouldn't appreciate. [01:54:45] Speaker C: Come on, man. [01:54:46] Speaker A: Maybe she wouldn't appreciate it. [01:54:47] Speaker B: When you start trying to make it make sense, that's when you know. [01:54:50] Speaker C: Here's my question. Let's make this interesting. What if every time you prayed, it was like the lottery? Oh, shit. What did you pray for? [01:55:01] Speaker A: You said, success and your kids be a stable father. [01:55:06] Speaker C: Stable father. What if you pray to be a stable father, but the risk you take when you do that, there's consequences. So if you're going to say a prayer, you have to absolutely know that there are consequences, that it'll be the opposite of what you prayed for. So you want stability. The opposite is you lose all stability, but there's a chance that you will. [01:55:25] Speaker A: Get what you pray for. [01:55:26] Speaker B: Usually that's how it works. [01:55:28] Speaker A: No, that's not the guarantee. He's saying, like, there's one or two outcomes when you put this prayer up. [01:55:35] Speaker C: They say God can do all things through. I can do all things through God. They're saying that I'm praying for these things to happen. There's no chance that me praying will give me the opposite. But what I'm saying is make it fair. Let's not put all this on God. Let's put the risk on the house. Right. You pray, but the consequence could be the exact opposite. [01:55:53] Speaker A: Opposite. [01:55:54] Speaker C: You think you would still pray or would you change your prayers? [01:55:58] Speaker A: I definitely would change my prayers. I would add small print to my prayers. But regarding this, please don't let this happen. This happened. This happened. This happened. I think that's what I would do. I would definitely change it up. But you would definitely think twice about what you pray for. [01:56:18] Speaker B: What's the difference between a prayer and a manifest and asking for affirmations of manifestation? Nothing. [01:56:24] Speaker C: Because they're both fake. [01:56:25] Speaker B: That's why I think both are the same. I think it's just different ways we want to look at it. [01:56:29] Speaker C: You can't manifest something without fucking doing the work. [01:56:31] Speaker B: Work? Yeah. [01:56:32] Speaker C: You can't talk something up without doing. [01:56:34] Speaker B: Which is why when I said earlier, when I pray now, I pray in present tense like I am, so I can already code my brain to be that thing. [01:56:41] Speaker A: So when people say they manifest it, you're saying, that's bullshit. That person didn't do shit. Didn't just sit here on a couch and just say it 100 million times. [01:56:50] Speaker C: They may have, but it was going to happen or it wasn't. [01:56:53] Speaker A: You think it's predestined? [01:56:54] Speaker C: Not necessarily predestined, but I think that there are things that are just going to happen and there are things that are affected by some type of stimulus and then happens. But none of those things are affected by words unless the action is based off of a command that you gave someone sitting here and saying, I hope. [01:57:12] Speaker A: I hit the lotto. [01:57:13] Speaker C: Yeah, you'll never hit the lotto. [01:57:14] Speaker B: You got to play the lotto to eventually. [01:57:16] Speaker C: You still got to go play the lotto. [01:57:18] Speaker A: Okay. And you feel like that's the action that. [01:57:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:57:20] Speaker C: So you didn't manifest. You went and bought a ticket. You didn't manifest it. You got your ass in a car and went to the gas station. [01:57:27] Speaker A: What if you did that prior to. So here on the couch, you said 100 million times, I want to win the lotto. And then the one time you get up and you actually go by, you win the lotto. [01:57:36] Speaker C: So you finally did it. What are you saying? For how long did you sit on the couch saying, I want to win the lottery? What did you say? [01:57:46] Speaker A: Let's say you say it 100 times. [01:57:48] Speaker C: Okay. And you're thinking that it was just waiting on you to get up and go, or you think it was because you went up and went and it was just lucky at that point. [01:57:55] Speaker A: I think the process of how you got there is what made it. So let's just say, not necessarily that I believe that the whole manifest thing, which I kind of believe that you do, should would speak it into the universe. But what I'm saying is, if you sat here and said it 100 times and then you actually went and bought it, would that not be proof for you to. [01:58:15] Speaker B: What if you went and bought it? Didn't say, but you still went and bought it and you won the lotto. What happens then? [01:58:20] Speaker A: Say that again. [01:58:21] Speaker B: You didn't say shit. You just was at the gas station. You say, oh, let me just get a lottery tickets because I got an. [01:58:25] Speaker C: Extra dollar and you won. And anyone, here's my thing, right? The problem with that is that humans have the ability to recognize patterns, and we'll use those to our benefit, but we don't use them when they were to our detriment. So, for instance, you have that person says, I was just thinking about Roger, and he called me on the phone 10 seconds later, ain't that God? No, it's actually not God. How many times you thought about Roger and the nigga didn't call you? Thousands. [01:58:49] Speaker B: Thousands of times you thought about Roger Rogers. One for 25. [01:58:53] Speaker C: One time he called you, and because he called you like, oh, my God, we're connected. Okay, synchronicity. [01:58:59] Speaker A: Let's switch it up. What if it's the one time that you need Roger to like, how do you measure. How do you measure that? Okay, that's a good. But okay. [01:59:12] Speaker C: Because I'm sure you needed Roger before and he didn't call, the nigga wouldn't even care. You call. [01:59:17] Speaker A: What if Roger calls it that one time that you absolutely needed him to say exactly what he said, that whatever, you wouldn't feel like that was some type of divine intervention. You know what? I'm about to jump off this ledge. Unless Reggie from third grade call. [01:59:32] Speaker C: No, because if you say that, if you tell me that you know for a fact that God can interact with that and get Roger to call me, but he also lets little babies get sound of freedom. Fuck God and you, to be honest. So tell me what you want me to believe, because if you want me. [01:59:48] Speaker A: To believe that, the next thing I'm. [01:59:50] Speaker B: Going to say is fuck you. I always say God is either all good but not all powerful, but all powerful, but not all good. He can't be both. [02:00:00] Speaker C: I'm just saying, all I was trying to talk about was, would you do still pray if there was an equal consequence that could go the other way? It's 50 50, though. [02:00:08] Speaker A: I'm telling you, I think I will pick and choose. [02:00:10] Speaker C: We can make prayer 50 50, because right now you don't know what it is. It's probably 0.1% that it happens, but it might just be 50 50. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But I don't think it's because of the prayer. I think it's because of the coincidence and the work that you put in. Those things may come together and then you get something and you're like, oh, I prayed for this for ten years. Like, damn, it took you ten years to get it? Fuck, that prayer system is terrible. You need to either pray better. [02:00:33] Speaker A: Nobody said it was flawless. [02:00:34] Speaker C: Maybe you ain't living right. [02:00:36] Speaker A: Maybe, but come on. [02:00:39] Speaker C: All I'm saying is that would people pray for the things that they pray? Because I'm sure you said some great stuff. You said some great stuff, but if we really knew what was on people's prayer sheet, you'd be like, you pray for that. I want a bigger dick. God, I don't think these women respecting this thing. [02:00:53] Speaker A: Low key. I used to pray for that. Listen, no, that's cool. [02:00:59] Speaker C: Do what you do, man. [02:01:00] Speaker B: Did you get it? Do you feel like it was going. [02:01:03] Speaker C: To grow because you got older or. [02:01:05] Speaker A: You thought it was because back then, because I was definitely young making this prayer and listen, I feel so horrible saying this, but, man, listen, I definitely prayed for. I was like, man, just don't let it be small. I felt like, I guess at that time, okay with my size, but I'm like, nah, this could be better. I don't want this to be the size forever. You know what I'm saying? I remember legitly praying for that. And when I say praying for that every night, every night, don't miss it, right? Laying in bed. Don't miss me on this pray, don't miss me on this one. There's a couple of times you ain't. [02:01:50] Speaker B: Come through for your boy. [02:01:51] Speaker A: I need you to come through for me on this one. [02:01:53] Speaker B: Yeah, so I would be the opposite of that. [02:01:56] Speaker A: I guess to come out with a. [02:01:57] Speaker C: Small, you get some kind of disfigure. [02:01:59] Speaker A: Disease, perion's disease, like your boy, little. [02:02:02] Speaker C: Diggy point back at you. [02:02:09] Speaker A: That's not funny, because I'm sure somebody got that right. Sorry. [02:02:13] Speaker C: So I'm just saying, though, that the chances of your dick getting bigger because God saw it fit. [02:02:18] Speaker A: Listen, to make you, now that I am a grown man, I would definitely say God did not make it big for that reason. [02:02:26] Speaker C: And you think an amputee has never prayed for an arm or a leg? Of course they have. And 0% of the time, I'm talking about 0% of the amputee, be like. [02:02:34] Speaker B: You gave the frogs that ability, but not me. [02:02:37] Speaker C: I'm saying you gave his nigga a bigger dick and I can't get an arm. He had a regular working dick. [02:02:42] Speaker B: Why can't he just dig his regular. [02:02:44] Speaker C: Dick like you can? Left that niggas regular dick alone. [02:02:49] Speaker B: That'd be some fucked up shit. [02:02:52] Speaker A: What if you had to audit God's prayer? [02:02:53] Speaker B: Right? [02:02:55] Speaker C: Your priorities are fucked up. We need an oversight committee. [02:03:00] Speaker B: That would be a good ass auditing God's prayer. [02:03:04] Speaker C: You let get 56, get rich or die trying, but you won't give me an arm. [02:03:09] Speaker B: It's about nine bullets. [02:03:12] Speaker C: Yes. Anyway, listeners, we appreciate you guys tuning in. Once again, we want to thank our guest colo. You're welcome to come back anytime you want. [02:03:23] Speaker A: Thank you. This was a great experience. I really appreciate it, and I do hope to come. [02:03:27] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. And of course, we'll help with anything we can for your podcast once you get ready to go or whatever. Anything we can do to help. We're definitely here to do that. [02:03:36] Speaker B: P definitely needs to come and tell his man. Listen, I think p story is like a movie to me. [02:03:41] Speaker A: It is. I already know what the opening scene to the movie is going to be. [02:03:47] Speaker B: That life. [02:03:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:03:49] Speaker B: So what else we got? [02:03:51] Speaker C: Anything else, guys? Are we ready to get out here? [02:03:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Share the show, follow us on show shows. [02:03:57] Speaker C: Yeah, man. I've seen a couple of people, more people, getting off of the premium on the website and going to glow. I appreciate that, guys. The ones of you who are not doing, it's probably because you stopped listening to the show. Honestly, I don't know what's going to happen to your account once we switch websites. I have no idea. You might still be getting charged, you know that? We still have somebody who's paying on Lipson. And how long ago was it with Lipson? Like 20, 16, 17? [02:04:21] Speaker B: Shout out to those people. That's how I know they got money. Because after that YouTube tv shit, bro, I check my account every day. [02:04:31] Speaker C: We had lips in 2017, I believe. And we still got one person who's paying $5 a month and ain't shit been on Lipson in that many years. [02:04:39] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [02:04:40] Speaker B: Shout out to them. [02:04:41] Speaker C: I love it. I mean, I appreciate you guys. [02:04:43] Speaker A: How does your credit shout out to whoever you are? [02:04:45] Speaker C: Here's the thing, right? Their credit card has to have been expired and they've had to have entered a new number. They just love get support us. [02:04:53] Speaker B: Unless if they put the account number. [02:04:55] Speaker C: Maybe they did there. [02:04:56] Speaker B: Yeah, they probably put the account number. [02:04:58] Speaker C: I don't know. But I appreciate you. I don't even know your name because here's what's so crazy, I can't even log into Libson to see who the person is. [02:05:05] Speaker B: But I get the check and I. [02:05:06] Speaker C: Don'T get it every month because it's only $5. So it's like every four months they send me a $20 check or something like that. But that's wild to me that they're still paying on that platform. Anyway, appreciate you and the people who have switched over from the old website or the other website to the new system with glow. I appreciate that as well. We are still working on getting that content put together and packaged for 2024, but just rest assured it's going to happen. French took he already took the recorder, so I know he's got it. So he's capable at this point. Now we're just waiting on him to get some, maybe wait on Mac to stop being so sickly. [02:05:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:05:42] Speaker C: Other than that though, keep supporting us, keep interacting with us and we'll keep bringing the nonsense because we realize that sometimes people just need to laugh. Till next time, 10% less bullshit than any other podcast, guaranteed.