Dead Tech

[00:00:00] Speaker A: The views and opinions expressed by the no nonsense show and its hosts do not necessarily reflect views consistent with political correctness or the rare Sonics podcast network. So to get the show started right, we want to wish any officers of the sensitivity police a heartfelt fuck you. The way you was looking on the camera, it was funny, man. [00:00:21] Speaker B: Who, me? [00:00:21] Speaker A: No, Jimmy, man. [00:00:23] Speaker B: Yeah. We're just. We're right on to give you a chance. We didn't want to push you, but, you know. [00:00:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Hey, let me ask y'all something, okay. Have you seen the apple goggles? [00:00:33] Speaker B: The division pro? [00:00:34] Speaker A: Division pro, yeah. What do you think about it? [00:00:36] Speaker B: I think it's cool, man. But it looks stupid as fuck, and I can't get down with looking stupid as fuck. Not because I'm an egotistical, but I'm egotistical or anything, but just because it looks stupid as fuck, like, it looks really stupid. [00:00:48] Speaker A: Yeah. So when it gets smaller, you're going to get it. [00:00:50] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. If it were regular glasses, they'd be bought already. [00:00:53] Speaker A: All right. [00:00:53] Speaker B: That 3500 is no joke, though. That's way, way too expensive, nigga. [00:00:57] Speaker A: You got commas. [00:00:58] Speaker B: You said you are listening to the no nonsense show. 10% less bullshit than any other podcast, guaranteed. How long we gonna do this? [00:01:26] Speaker A: Hey, do they stop coming? [00:01:30] Speaker B: How long are we gonna do this? [00:01:32] Speaker C: Probably for just a couple more. [00:01:33] Speaker A: But 3500 is crazy. It's like a used civic. That's crazy, right? [00:01:38] Speaker B: It's people that can buy a car and be happy with that car for 3500. [00:01:42] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying right now, right? Don't take that. I don't like them. I don't like them at all. I think I'm starting to get old. [00:01:52] Speaker B: Yeah, you are. [00:01:53] Speaker A: Because my thing is, I tried them on. I tried them on. And it's cool. If you like a project manager or you got a lot of tasks, this is the perfect tool for you. [00:02:02] Speaker B: No, I got a lot of tasks. This shit is not perfect for me. [00:02:04] Speaker A: It's too much everything. Yeah, that's the whole point, though. [00:02:07] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's focus wise, I missed that. [00:02:12] Speaker C: If you got a. [00:02:13] Speaker B: What if you're a lot of tab. [00:02:16] Speaker A: Tabs. So if you got to do a lot of things for your job, like this project you're working on, that it. [00:02:22] Speaker B: Helps you multitask better, is what he's trying to say. [00:02:24] Speaker A: You got to watch it. You could do a bunch of different things at once if you got the brain for that. [00:02:28] Speaker B: Did you all see the guy in the coffee shop who was making the order. And he had like the office list on the left side and he was able to like, oh yeah. So I need to get, he's talking to him. That's cool. The idea is cool. I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with, it's a cool idea. I don't know that it would help me be more productive though because it gives you the options to not even have to sit at a desk. You can lay in your bed and work from a laying down position, but you're still sick. Yeah, I got to go get me some now that's more productive. [00:02:54] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. [00:02:56] Speaker B: I got to go get them for work. I would kill at that thing. [00:03:01] Speaker A: For work especially, I'm sure with how you use it, the more data starts to get onto you. [00:03:07] Speaker B: Only problem with that though is vpns. So unless your company gives you takes over the division pro, they're not going to let you put behind VPN stuff on those. [00:03:19] Speaker A: You know how for your company your phone does do BYOB, Byo D, bring. [00:03:24] Speaker B: Your own device, you have to your own model. [00:03:27] Speaker A: So they could just do that for it. [00:03:28] Speaker B: Right? [00:03:28] Speaker C: Maybe at the party, maybe. [00:03:31] Speaker B: But have you ever had a company BYOD, your computer or just your phone? Because they gave me a computer. Right. So that's different. My phone is the way we set up profiles for a phone because I used to do, you know, I did this for a company, just one of my last jobs for Max. So the way we send profiles to a phone is different than the way we send profiles to a computer. When I set up my policies for a computer, I want the whole computer. [00:03:54] Speaker A: Yeah, the phone. You can't you see what I'm saying? How much porn I'm watching? [00:03:57] Speaker B: Well, not just that. It's just that I can give you outlook and teams on your phone. I can have a policy that requires you to use like an outlook authenticator on your phone. And that's all you need for that because I'm limiting what we're allowed. The policy that I'm giving you is limited in what you have access to. If you're on your phone and you just did a BYOD, unless I take over the phone, if it's just like the policy to allow you to do outlook and that kind of stuff, that's just conditional access, that's different. [00:04:23] Speaker A: Right. [00:04:23] Speaker B: But if I'm going to take over your phone, which I would have to do if you were to ever get behind a VPN on that phone, you're not going to be able to use it for your personal stuff anymore. That's a work phone that you can also use for personal. But I'll have access to it all. So all of it. [00:04:35] Speaker A: The ability to get the VPN, you have to have access to it all. [00:04:38] Speaker B: For me to give you VPN? [00:04:40] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. [00:04:41] Speaker B: As a company, you're going to have to give me access to your entire phone. I need to know everything you're doing with that phone just in case there's a red flag for you being the beginning of a bullshit. [00:04:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I see what you campaign. [00:04:50] Speaker B: You see what I'm saying? What you have is conditional access. It's not the same thing. There's conditions that allow you to use teams and outlook and all that kind of stuff. I know I sound smart right now I'm not that smart, but with the computer, I take the entire computer. The policies I put on that computer give me access to every day. If you create a new user, which I probably won't even let you do, but if I did, I'd have access to that user, too, which is why. [00:05:12] Speaker A: They tend to give you the computer. [00:05:13] Speaker B: That's why they give you the computer, because now you don't have any excuse. That's not your computer. That's my computer. You got to give it back. And while you got it, everything you do on that computer, I have access to. [00:05:22] Speaker A: Yeah, and that's why you should not do nothing. [00:05:24] Speaker B: So that's why Vision pro doesn't work, because you'd have to give it completely to your company, and then they're able to see everything else. [00:05:29] Speaker A: They would have to have their own vision pro. [00:05:31] Speaker B: Yeah, and, I mean, when you quit, of course they'll take the policies. I'll take that policy off, that profile off, but while you're using it for company stuff, in order to get behind the VPN, you're going to have to let me have access. And that's why this wouldn't work for me, because I would need to be able to use my shit for whatever. I mean, imagine porn. I need my porn in virtual reality. [00:05:53] Speaker A: So that's my thing. That's what my thing with it, with seeing the vision pro and then seeing how people look stupid in the train and things like that, even though he will get smaller that, for me, I'm starting to feel like I got to dissociate myself with the tech because, well, you know what? [00:06:06] Speaker B: You started saying it was stupid, but then you said. Then you told me all the reasons why I should get it. You made me want to get it. [00:06:11] Speaker A: For project management wise, a guy like you that's really in tune, you could get it. [00:06:17] Speaker B: But young niggas, you're saying the dangers of it. [00:06:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:21] Speaker B: Let's hear you out. [00:06:22] Speaker A: Because my thing is, like you just said, porn, right? Like something as simple as enjoying porn, right? You start watching it on the vision pro now, you won't even be able to watch it on your phone. No. More to the point, now, if you're really now a porn addict, you're going to have real problems when it comes to do the real thing. That's just porn. [00:06:41] Speaker B: As long as your girl's cool with you wearing it in bed, that's enhancement. [00:06:45] Speaker A: Niggas don't even know how to. [00:06:48] Speaker B: Oh, your boy Tim. Tim could be watching porn of a guy having sex with a girl. He could be having sex with a girl. [00:06:53] Speaker A: He might turn 50%. [00:06:57] Speaker C: Or he thinks he's at a water park, and it's not really come. [00:07:07] Speaker A: But niggas don't even know what five times five equal. 25. No more, because they don't do math anymore with their heads. And that's my problem. I was trying to figure out why niggas don't understand context clues when they watch videos or a meme or a tweet, and it's shit like, because we don't utilize those skills anymore, because we. [00:07:25] Speaker B: Don'T finish the sentence, because we don't have any context. That's why they don't get context. Because what is context clues? What does that mean? [00:07:35] Speaker A: Pretty much getting context. I don't want to use the same word. [00:07:38] Speaker B: Well, no, but that's what it is. There's context in the real world. So when I tell you this thing, you can use the context clues in the real world. But if you've never experienced those real world contextual events or items, what are context clues anymore? It's just what I tell you. And so what I tell you could be phony, fake, whatever. You have nothing to root, to judge it against. So your contextual ability is gone. That's right. It's true. [00:08:00] Speaker A: Yeah. And then, like you just said, the thing you were worried about, the vision pro, is because of all the things you could do, you don't think you would be focused on one singular thing. I can't create the more ADHd or add whatever. [00:08:12] Speaker B: Did you see that dude watching that whole wall basketball game? [00:08:15] Speaker A: Yeah. You talk about the dude that made his house, each wall in his house. A frame for the vision pro? [00:08:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:19] Speaker A: One is the tv, one is this graph for work. [00:08:22] Speaker B: How the fuck. [00:08:23] Speaker A: You had, like, cooking recipe on the side. [00:08:25] Speaker B: How are you? And he turned around and did something. How are you watching a full wall game, but you're also going to do your work? Come on, man. [00:08:31] Speaker A: And that's what I'm saying. When you start seeing that there was a video of a guy in Atlanta crossing one of the streets, and then he stopped in the middle of the cross to move something. [00:08:39] Speaker B: It's just like, texting and driving is a problem. Right. [00:08:44] Speaker A: I know you can see through this one, but my thing is, are they going to keep sending us to a place? And the more younger and younger kids are being born with access of these things, we're just no longer going to utilize our brain. And that's why I want to dissociate myself, because I want to still utilize the brain. I still want to be able to write well. Like, kids now don't even have good handwriting. [00:09:05] Speaker B: So you don't think you're using your brain when you use applevision pro or a computer or your phone? [00:09:11] Speaker C: Not really. It's doing the thinking for. [00:09:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. The thinking needs. [00:09:16] Speaker B: Who's doing the processing it? [00:09:20] Speaker C: You're just doing the. [00:09:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I'm with Mac on that one. Because even though you would chat GBT, like, right now. Right. People use chat GBT to build resumes. Great. Great tool to use to build a resume. I recommend it. I would give you advice. You should use it to build your resume. Right. But we are now losing the art of now building our own little simple things like that we should not go away from. I understand it's faster, it's better. And I'm not saying don't utilize it, but I'm saying the more and more we keep going that path, eventually it's going to be an AI that's going to walk for us. We're not even going to walk. [00:09:54] Speaker B: Well, you're not necessarily walk for us, but we'll do the things that we like. I need to go up and get a drink of water. It just does. It knows you want it. You don't have to ask for it. Just knows you are being thirsty. [00:10:04] Speaker A: Have you seen Wally? [00:10:05] Speaker B: No. Come on, man. Yeah, I was an adult. [00:10:08] Speaker A: How did the people in Wally look? [00:10:10] Speaker C: Fat. [00:10:11] Speaker A: Fat. But not just fat. What they were embedded into what? [00:10:15] Speaker B: Right. [00:10:17] Speaker A: They were always sitting in, like, a car, a moving, like, one seater car. [00:10:21] Speaker B: They never stood or their little office chairs. Right. [00:10:24] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like a machine that was taking them every Jamie Mac. [00:10:28] Speaker C: So this is the thing. [00:10:29] Speaker B: No, hold on. The death of French Reggie. The beginning of Jamie Mac, too. Everything's going to be a movie reference now. Everything's going to be. Damn. [00:10:39] Speaker A: I'm just saying, there was a time when the Internet first started, it was military, right? There was a time certain technology started for offices for that specific industry. No, they make everything for everybody. They don't even make. [00:10:53] Speaker B: So it's like these hoes. It's for everybody. Technology is for everybody. Technology belongs to the streets. Yeah. [00:11:03] Speaker A: And I don't know. I just think, like, there's a little. Either we need to be able, like, you were born before the tech took over. [00:11:10] Speaker B: You know what's crazy? When you just said that military used to use Internet and they became civilian. Do you know that in 95, when I joined the Navy, that is when we started having commercial Internet? Like, I was on the cusp of when that actually became available to everybody. And so we're using in the military. We were using Internet for crazy shit already then. But the civilian side of it was like. Think it was like, well, you've got mail. That was when all that shit was happening. It was so. But the military side of the Internet we were using was not limited at all. Our shit looked like 1987, the military shit looked like 2005, and it was 95, so that just maybe gave me a flat. [00:11:49] Speaker A: There's a reason why they used to do things like that, because certain things, you can't just release everything for everybody. [00:11:55] Speaker B: Yeah, but you're saying now there's rules. There's no rules because of Wifi. [00:11:59] Speaker A: It's not even about the hardware itself. It's because of just the ability of Wi Fi. [00:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah, but you know what? That's a trick, too, though, right? Remember when Egypt had that coup and they shut the Internet off? [00:12:08] Speaker C: Yep. [00:12:09] Speaker B: Like, they're lying, man. I mean, they're not lying. They're setting us up because their Wi Fi don't mean shit. Really? [00:12:14] Speaker A: They can turn off the. [00:12:15] Speaker B: Yeah, they can turn all this shit off, bro, and you will have nothing. [00:12:18] Speaker A: They say that's the next thing. It's not going to be like, the next Covid is going to be like. They're going to shut down the power. [00:12:24] Speaker B: Grids you're talking about. Like, what's the name of that movie the bombers produced? [00:12:27] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:12:28] Speaker B: Leave the world behind. Did you watch that yet, Mac? [00:12:31] Speaker C: No. [00:12:32] Speaker B: What? [00:12:33] Speaker A: That's crazy. [00:12:33] Speaker B: No, hold on. What? How? The movie nigga didn't watch the movie nigga? [00:12:38] Speaker C: Nope. So I watched, the new one is similar. The new one? The new mission Impossible. [00:12:44] Speaker B: This is brand new. It came out like two months ago. [00:12:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:50] Speaker C: What's it called? [00:12:51] Speaker B: Leave the world behind. It's on Netflix. Check it out when you get that shit. [00:12:55] Speaker C: That shit was stupid. [00:12:56] Speaker A: The ending was stupid. That was really. [00:12:58] Speaker B: What? [00:12:58] Speaker A: We don't know. [00:12:59] Speaker B: It was. [00:12:59] Speaker C: The whole movie was that she just started watching from the time the ship came on the beach, all that bullshit. [00:13:04] Speaker B: Well, this Obama's. You were just talking great about the Obamas. Now you shit on them. I swear, you niggas. [00:13:09] Speaker C: No, I'm just saying. I was talking to him great about him. [00:13:16] Speaker B: Yeah, but that was one of those movies. [00:13:19] Speaker C: It's a bunch of clips that seems interesting, but they don't fucking go together. [00:13:26] Speaker B: Like that woman wandering. [00:13:28] Speaker C: What's this about? [00:13:30] Speaker B: Would you have left that woman who was wandering, talking gibberish and like, please don't leave me. Don't leave. Would you have left her? [00:13:36] Speaker C: Bye. [00:13:38] Speaker B: Set up. Would you have left her french? [00:13:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:42] Speaker B: You'd have left her. Oh, man. [00:13:44] Speaker C: You know, it's funny, because I saw this the other day. [00:13:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm selfish. [00:13:48] Speaker C: I was driving and somebody was in the middle of the road with their hazards on, standing outside their car. [00:13:55] Speaker B: And you didn't. [00:13:56] Speaker C: I said, right on around. [00:13:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:59] Speaker C: Not doing this shit. Like, again, I'm sorry. Maybe I'm just. [00:14:03] Speaker B: The world has scarred you, right? [00:14:07] Speaker C: You need help, and you're a good person, but fuck that. You're going to have to use a cell phone or someone else is going to have to help you. [00:14:14] Speaker B: You ain't got no, man. [00:14:15] Speaker C: It ain't me. Yeah, it was a dude. [00:14:18] Speaker B: I think that sucks, though. It does, because I want to be helpful. [00:14:24] Speaker C: I sped up. [00:14:29] Speaker B: So, you know what's so crazy about that vision? That vision pro, though. I was reading an article today where it was a guy was saying in the 90s, he remembers being a kid and getting stuff. He got. Like, his parents took him to this mall that was having this expedition. They put him on stage, he put. [00:14:43] Speaker A: On this augmented reality. [00:14:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And he was immediately transformed into this cartoon world where he was like a cartoon, a cowboy. And he looked over and the guy who set him up was also a cartoon. They both had guns and they could shoot, but it wasn't, like, planned out yet. They're like, this is the future. It's coming. They weren't able to move or anything yet, but they could. He could look around and they couldn't walk it, but he could look around and see the other guy and shoot the gun and look like a real gun, and he looked like a real soldier, and the guy looked like a real cowboy or whatever. And then for ten years, nothing. And then in the. So it came back out with the quest and Oculus, the pre things for that was in the think the later two thousand and ten s, and it took off again. And then it kind of. Until now Apple comes out with this and it looks like this time it might catch. [00:15:29] Speaker A: Yeah, well, this is different, too, than the Facebook one because the Facebook one, you can quest. Yeah. You can really play like, games and shit. Right? This is more of like augmented reality while the quest is virtual reality. [00:15:42] Speaker B: Yeah, but you said you put them on, right? [00:15:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:45] Speaker B: So people were complaining about the see through. The pass through is not very good. It's not hd. So when you looked at the room in those, did it look it. [00:15:53] Speaker A: I guess it kind of looked clear because I know the room. So for me, because what room were you in? [00:15:57] Speaker C: You were in the Apple store you bought. [00:15:59] Speaker A: No, no, I was with a friend. I bought them. [00:16:01] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:16:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I know the room. So I guess I wasn't paying attention to the clarity. [00:16:07] Speaker B: How the fuck you don't look at was. That'd be the first thing I would want to see. How much reality is it that I could wear these things for real? That's what my first. [00:16:17] Speaker A: I could, because it's like I'm watching this wall, but I could just see my documents right here. [00:16:22] Speaker B: So if somebody came in the room, you would see them in real time. It wouldn't be like a delayed. They come in the room. They come in the room at the same time. And would you say is at least hd quality? [00:16:30] Speaker A: For me, it was. [00:16:30] Speaker B: I don't know if it's 4k, but. [00:16:32] Speaker A: It wasn't 4k, but, yeah, because you could see clearly and then you just have whatever else you got. [00:16:37] Speaker B: And how well could you interact with the things in a room? Like, if you went to the table, could you pick something up without missing it a little bit? Like sometimes you're at the table and you're trying to be sexy with your date and you're trying to find your straw with your mouth, but you miss your straw. And you kind of go, to me. [00:16:50] Speaker A: It was easy because like I said, you could still see everything. You just have shit around you. [00:16:54] Speaker B: And how easy is it for you to swipe that shit away so that. [00:16:57] Speaker A: You can see eyes? Your eyes is like the mouse. [00:16:59] Speaker B: Yeah, but how easy is it for you to get rid of stuff on the screen so you can see the items it's in tv and stuff? How easy is it for you? Get rid of that shit so you can see it. [00:17:08] Speaker A: You can just move it with your eyes or this low motion thing. [00:17:12] Speaker B: I know. It watches your eyes, and it watches your hand to see if you're clicking. [00:17:14] Speaker A: So your eyes is the mouse. Your eyes is the mouse. [00:17:17] Speaker B: Sound like you're selling it french? You don't sound like you're hating it. [00:17:20] Speaker C: He doesn't sound like he's hating it. [00:17:23] Speaker B: I'm trying to get him to tell us how terrible this shit is, right? And he keeps telling us how awesome this shit is. [00:17:27] Speaker C: Well, see, what he's trying to say. [00:17:29] Speaker A: Is, because the more and more these things get awesome, we're not going to utilize our own power, our own technology. You just said you got to use. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Your eyes and your hands. [00:17:40] Speaker C: No cliche thing, right? We're talking about the cliche use it or lose it. If we're not using our brain, we're losing that capacity. That muscle is not getting worked like it used to get worked. [00:17:55] Speaker A: And then the thing is, it's not about us, me, you, or Jimmy Mac getting division pro. It's about that six year old that's going to start with the vision pro as his technology. And by the time he's 26. [00:18:06] Speaker B: I disagree. [00:18:07] Speaker A: You think he's going to be smarter? [00:18:09] Speaker C: His muscles atrophy? [00:18:11] Speaker B: No, that's not what I mean. I mean, he's still going to have to go to fuck outside and run and play and play basketball with the. [00:18:15] Speaker A: Vision pro on can at that point. It's going to be small. [00:18:17] Speaker B: No vision pro. He's going to have get his ass up and run and lift weights. [00:18:22] Speaker A: Have you played lately? [00:18:23] Speaker B: I know. Hold on. [00:18:24] Speaker C: I was about to say, they don't do that. [00:18:26] Speaker B: Let me finish. Let me finish. They're going to have to get up and do shit that's impossible to get rid of. That's going to have to be part of our life. Because until they create a vitamin that gives us the ability to not have to move and to still maintain strength, which maybe, or maybe they won't, they don't want us to be strong. Because I look at it like this, right? I don't use social media the way 99% of the people use social media. I'm sure of it. I'm sure of it because I look at what they look at and I look at what I look at when I'm watching. Well, first of all, social media for me is only YouTube. I don't really do Instagram. I don't even have a TikTok or a Snapchat. I have an Instagram I have a Twitter, but I'm rarely on there, if ever. Usually it's because somebody sent me a link and because I got that link, I need to see it in there. Luckily, TikTok allows you to watch that one clip without having to download the app. So if people send me a TikTok, I'll do that. And I already had Instagram. You can do that there, too. But Twitter, you have to be signed in now. But that's the only way I'm ever on Instagram or Twitter. But YouTube I use to learn stuff. I use it to make myself more rounded. You know what I'm saying? I use it when I have an in depth question that can't be answered by a simple Google search. I'll look for videos that people are maybe going in depth, long form type things. So I think 100% I am smarter because of YouTube. I'm using my brain more because of YouTube. [00:19:45] Speaker A: You see what I'm saying? [00:19:46] Speaker B: Like, the places that I'm able to go, like, say that I'm really interested in a topic that you guys are not. Like, maybe I'm real interested in astrophysics or something. Right? You guys aren't into that. So I don't have to go somewhere to be to astrophysics and still be your friend. I can be your friend and then still take time out of my day to look up astrophysics videos and learn a lot, enrich my brain and stimulate my brain to do more and learn more things and hunger more. So I can't agree that computers make us dumber. [00:20:16] Speaker A: You can't agree? But what was the first sentence you said? [00:20:19] Speaker B: You tell me. [00:20:19] Speaker A: You said that you use it differently than 99% of the people, right? [00:20:23] Speaker B: So what I'm saying. [00:20:24] Speaker A: I'm talking about the 99% of the people not using it like that. [00:20:27] Speaker B: I understand French, but your son is your son, right? [00:20:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:31] Speaker B: That's why you have the ability. [00:20:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I probably will definitely train my. [00:20:35] Speaker B: Yeah, but they won't get the chance because they're not going to have vision pros. You see what I'm saying? [00:20:39] Speaker A: But if I do give them the vision pro, just like how you know how to utilize social media the right way or just understand that it is a tool. [00:20:49] Speaker B: Right. [00:20:49] Speaker A: Then my kid might be training utilize vision pro for the right reasons. My problem is there was a school in Texas who has, like, bad reading levels, and so they made a rule like, you can't have your cell phone. All the kids walked out and the thing. [00:21:05] Speaker B: Whoa. There was a. What? What was it? [00:21:07] Speaker A: You can't use your cell? [00:21:08] Speaker B: No. What was the place? [00:21:09] Speaker A: A school. [00:21:10] Speaker B: A school. And they told the students, you cannot use your phone in school. And they left school. [00:21:15] Speaker A: Yeah. All of them. They all walked out. [00:21:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. So there's a different problem there. Yeah, because that's not technology, bro. [00:21:23] Speaker A: That's what the kids. [00:21:24] Speaker B: Yeah, that's some behavior problem. [00:21:26] Speaker A: That's what I would say. But what I learned, and hanging out with my little nephew, what I learned is they don't know that world. [00:21:34] Speaker B: Which world? [00:21:35] Speaker A: The world without a phone. [00:21:36] Speaker B: Right. They don't. [00:21:38] Speaker A: And then it was talking to him, it made me realize, because he's twelve, so I'm like, oh, shit. To him, it's a different ballgame, even for me. I was in 7th grade when I got my first phone, so I know, life without a phone. [00:21:56] Speaker B: Right? [00:21:57] Speaker A: You mag even better. But them, it's like part of their identity. Their body comes with the phone. [00:22:06] Speaker B: Yeah, but French, I don't know. Life without a tv. [00:22:09] Speaker A: Okay, right. [00:22:10] Speaker B: But I'm still not glued to the tv all day, every day. I know it's a dummy tube and whatever. I can't say that it didn't influence my life. It did in negative. [00:22:19] Speaker A: But that's going back to how. Because my argument is for the 99%, not the people that figure it out. [00:22:25] Speaker B: I don't know if I figured it out. I don't know that I'm not even. [00:22:28] Speaker A: The people that have the balance. Because the problem I'm worried about is I'm already seeing people don't have the balance. Niggas can't even turn off social media when they get bullied. So it's like we don't even have balance on some basic shit. Now we got this shit we just put in our eyes, and our eyes can dictate whatever we want for. You see what I'm saying? That's just level one. [00:22:50] Speaker B: Yeah, but I'm looking at it like Neuralink, though, right? So you guys know that NDA approved it and they did the first trial. [00:22:58] Speaker A: And so far, so good. [00:22:59] Speaker B: You saw that, Mac? [00:23:00] Speaker C: Yep. [00:23:01] Speaker A: So far so good. [00:23:02] Speaker B: So there are ways to terrorize people with neuralink. There are ways to kill people with neuralink, I'm sure, make people's life awful. Right? But look at the other side of it. The person who couldn't see before is going to be able to see because the neuralink is going to be the brain process and the cameras are going to be the eye. And then that's going to be fed. Once it gets the signal, it's going to be fed to the person's brain and a person who's never seen is going to be able to actually see something the way that you do. Right. Just that one guy is like, what? That's fucking amazing. Right? Think about the vision Pro. When it comes to what was great about Apple products anyway, that a lot of Windows people don't know when they're shitting on Apple products is there is no better accessibility device than Apple products, iPads, computers and phones. No, but they've been doing shit where people who have no ability to move their arms or legs can use a computer like you and I with this little thing. They put their mouth on and move it with their mouth. And it does all things vision pro does with eyes, they could already do with this little tube that they put their mouth on. [00:24:02] Speaker A: Super Bowl. Google made a commercial trying to pretend their phone do that now. [00:24:05] Speaker B: Oh, really? I didn't see. [00:24:06] Speaker A: It was a blind guy that every time he pulls up to take a selfie or a picture, the Google AI tells him what's around so he knows what the type of picture is going to look like. [00:24:16] Speaker B: All right. Okay. [00:24:17] Speaker A: And it was like a sweet picture because it started with him and his girl and eventually they had a kid. [00:24:21] Speaker B: Yeah, okay, I get it. But the point I'm trying to make though is that with the vision Pro, what I was just talking about, about laying in bed and doing my work. Imagine if you were a paraplegic or a quadriplegic and you could lay in bed and do everything that you could never do before. Like, sitting up is hard. [00:24:35] Speaker A: And I'm with you with that. And that goes to the idea. When the Internet first came out, they. [00:24:39] Speaker B: Gave it to everybody. [00:24:40] Speaker C: Can't win. Fuck that. [00:24:41] Speaker A: Yeah. People to that can utilize it. [00:24:45] Speaker B: This dirty nigga just saying, fuck them handicaps. [00:24:50] Speaker A: Technology used to be this way, right? [00:24:53] Speaker C: Yes, it was. Survival of the fittest. Everybody can't become fit. That world doesn't work, okay? If everybody gets a fucking. Listen, Chris Reddy just said it. Life will catch up to you. Maybe something happened in their family tree that they deserve. Don't. We can't just pick everybody up off the ground. That don't work in the fucking animal kingdom. [00:25:23] Speaker A: My thing is, I'm not even going that far, Mag. I'm going be honest. Those examples back then, just like how the Internet was for military, that neural link technology, that vision pro technology would be for those people, right? Those people that actually need that accessibility tool, right? But now, like I said, it's for everybody. And my biggest problem is now is the kids. My problem is, like, a six year old already using that high level of technology by the time they're 26, grain of technology is also going to grow with them. It's going to go to a different level. But, like, we were talking about how people don't have. Not context schools. They don't even know how to socialize. [00:26:03] Speaker B: Yeah, but French. Okay, so hold on a second. [00:26:05] Speaker C: This is fake news. [00:26:06] Speaker B: No, hold on a second. We're alleviating a big part of these devices, right? [00:26:12] Speaker A: Okay. [00:26:12] Speaker B: You know that when you. When you set. Yeah, you. When you set up an iPhone or iPad, it asks you if you're creating this account for you or if you're creating it for a kid. Right. When you do a new account on the computer. I don't know if it does it. I don't know how they do it on iPad. [00:26:27] Speaker A: Restrictions. [00:26:27] Speaker B: Yeah, but it gives you the option to set it up for a kid, and then you get to limit the things that that kid can do. If you didn't do that, you can't be a person that's complaining. If you didn't even try that. You know what I'm saying? Like, try that first and tell me how bad devices are then. Because what that allows us to do is it allows us to have that wonderful device for that person who needs accessibility. And it also give us a wonderful device for our kids, but also gives us the ability to do it for ourselves with certain limitations. We can make those. [00:26:54] Speaker A: So you think that the solution should be, we need to start governance. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Just governance. That's a winch. Okay. [00:27:02] Speaker A: Governance, like you said. [00:27:03] Speaker B: But should people. Max says, no, go ahead. [00:27:06] Speaker A: I'm thinking people who should now be more. Because we've been living with the tech for so long now, like 20 years of this fast paced technology, if we are not educated. But we should just understand. I just feel like there should be like a. I guess governance will fall into that, too. We just got to create levels to. [00:27:27] Speaker B: It. [00:27:29] Speaker A: Especially some parents, because the thing is, a lot of parents use the technology as the way for the kid to get the fuck off of them. Right? [00:27:35] Speaker B: They don't want to be bothered, so. [00:27:36] Speaker A: They'Re not about to put the restrictions. They want the algorithm. And that's my problem. I guess my problem is, like you were saying, the 99% don't really know shit. [00:27:46] Speaker B: Do you know, friends, right now, I can come to your house and you can connect me to your router, and I can go in there and make it so that it will refuse websites to you. So I can cure you from porn by blocking Pornhub and spank bang and x videos or whatever. All the ones that you use are gay men meet or whatever it is. I can completely make gay men meet. Give you a symbol saying, this website is blocked. Talk to your system administrator. So I hear you, but I think that people are not doing anything and expecting somebody else to come in and take care of their. [00:28:19] Speaker A: I guess what I'm at. As soon as I found out you're. [00:28:22] Speaker B: On Pornhub, Pornhub is blocked. As soon as I find out you're on killaniga.com, I'm blaming killing nigga.com. As soon as I see Worldstar hip hop, I'm closing worldstar hip hop. I can't get them all at first. I'll just watch and see what pops up on my registry. He's there. [00:28:39] Speaker A: So you're saying that at the end of it, because this shit's going to come whether we love it or not. You got to control your own house. [00:28:45] Speaker B: No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is this shit is fucking awesome and wonderful. However, you have the control and you are pretending like you don't. People are pretending like they have no control, but that's a lie. You do have control. There are already processes in place that allow you to block certain things. [00:28:59] Speaker A: I guess my goal is to try to figure out a way we can. [00:29:02] Speaker B: Educate the people about to know doing that. [00:29:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:04] Speaker B: Right. And that's what we're doing right now. That's what we're doing right now. Go ahead, Mac. [00:29:09] Speaker C: I'm totally against all of this because I think that the future is going back to analog. [00:29:14] Speaker B: Okay. [00:29:14] Speaker A: What do you mean? [00:29:14] Speaker C: Eventually that's going to be the solution to it all. [00:29:17] Speaker A: Oh, you think we're going to get so tired, so we are going to dissociate ourselves from it? [00:29:21] Speaker C: Well, no, because the digital world is in itself a virtual construct that doesn't really exist anywhere except for in the. [00:29:31] Speaker B: Ones and zeros in this place. [00:29:33] Speaker C: Right? [00:29:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:34] Speaker C: And so when someone attacks or again. So I'm going to go back to the new mission impossible. [00:29:42] Speaker B: That's out right now. [00:29:45] Speaker C: This is the narrative. There's this AI that's called entity, and it can get into any program. It can rewrite. It can do all this shit, and it becomes sentient. It's not like terminate. [00:30:01] Speaker B: Right? [00:30:02] Speaker C: It's not like a bunch of machines. This is just the Terminator. [00:30:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Well, they were kind of sentient, but. [00:30:08] Speaker C: These are different machines. Looking like humans. This is just a program, right? [00:30:12] Speaker B: I know. I saw it. I saw the movie. [00:30:15] Speaker C: Oh, you did? [00:30:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:16] Speaker C: And you saw how they were trying to go back to get all their files and put them back on paper, right? They had a fucking room full of people going back and trying to get all that digital shit before it turned corrupted. And you don't know what's real and what's not real, and try to put it back on something that you can is tangible. [00:30:36] Speaker B: So what if the Smithsonia and the Vatican are hiding the shit underground for that purpose, and we're villainizing and making them feel like we're calling them evil or whatever? What if they're doing all that shit that they got stored under there, all those acres and acres full of shit that they've hidden from the world, artifacts and shit like that? What if that's why they hit all that shit? [00:30:56] Speaker C: It makes sense to me because, again, you get to a point where everything is all digitized and you don't know what's real and what's not real, what's genuine and what's not, right. Just everything's upper grass. [00:31:14] Speaker B: I'm sad to say it, guys, but. [00:31:15] Speaker C: If you have something. [00:31:16] Speaker B: I'm sad to say it, guys. This is what I've always said about religion. You got to go inside. It ain't no outside. There is no outside. It's all inside. Everything else is a lie. [00:31:26] Speaker A: What do you mean? Elaborate on. By going inside, God is not in. [00:31:30] Speaker B: The sky or in a church or anywhere else. It's inside, bro. And if you don't know how to connect to what's inside, that's where you fall. That's where you fail, because there's not going to be somebody to come save you. There is no savior for your ass. Go within or go not in the strip mall. [00:31:47] Speaker C: You can't find God in the strip. [00:31:48] Speaker B: Mall, and you got to go within or go without. That's a phrase for too bad smooth isn't here to say that. Go within or go without. [00:31:55] Speaker C: Speaking of, did you see that Joel Olsteen's church got shot up? [00:31:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I saw that. Somebody got killed, right? Or. [00:32:02] Speaker C: Yep. [00:32:02] Speaker B: Yeah, a five year old got shot, and somebody died, too, in the middle. [00:32:06] Speaker C: Of, like, a. Yeah, a lady came in there with a long. [00:32:09] Speaker A: Like, was it targeted at the church or. Damn, what did Joe do? [00:32:14] Speaker B: No, I don't know if it was. What do you mean? What did he do at him, necessarily? But just the whole idea of, like, I want to cause terror in this place. I'm thinking, I don't know. [00:32:22] Speaker A: One person died, that five year old. [00:32:24] Speaker B: I don't think they got a motive yet. I don't know. [00:32:26] Speaker C: This is what I would say if someone pointed out to me, and I thought it was a very genuine opinion. [00:32:32] Speaker A: Bringing the gun to the church. [00:32:33] Speaker C: Now, if your pastor is a millionaire. Yeah, there's a problem. [00:32:40] Speaker A: How's that a problem? [00:32:42] Speaker C: What do you mean, how's that a problem? What the fuck are you. [00:32:44] Speaker B: This is the same thing I've been saying, Mac. How many millions do you need before. [00:32:48] Speaker A: It'S like, okay, you saying pastors can't be millionaires? I don't get it. [00:32:52] Speaker B: I think they can. [00:32:52] Speaker A: For what? [00:32:53] Speaker C: For collecting my money. [00:32:55] Speaker A: Oh, not like that. Like Joel Instinct said he made his money from writing books and shit. [00:33:01] Speaker B: How many of his books have you read? [00:33:04] Speaker A: That's what he said. [00:33:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:06] Speaker C: And the people buying his books is the motherfucker that go to his church. [00:33:11] Speaker A: That's a different program. That's not the tides, though. You went and bought my book. That's different. [00:33:15] Speaker B: According to the gnostics. According to the gnostics, the Jesus and God y'all are praying to is really the devil. The agnostics believe that the gnostics. She's not the agnostics. Excuse me. Did I say agnostics? [00:33:27] Speaker A: I probably just thought. [00:33:27] Speaker C: No, you just said gnostics. [00:33:28] Speaker B: Yeah, the gnostics. [00:33:30] Speaker A: What's the difference between those and agnostic. [00:33:33] Speaker B: Means you believe in God, but just not a religious God. You just believe that there is an entity. Gnostics are there. It's a religious group. However, they believe that the Jesus and God that everybody's praying to in these churches. Any of the abrahamic religions, the Satan is God? No, the God is. [00:33:49] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:33:50] Speaker B: Yeah. So they've been believing that for a long, long time. All these little stories. That's Satan shit. And y'all following it along and doing whatever. But I mean, you know, things like Joel Osteen Church and TD Jakes's church and, I mean, the shit don't look good. I don't know how y'all think that looks good. I don't know how you go worship that at that place. [00:34:10] Speaker A: I can't look good. But I don't like the idea that because somebody's a pastor or because they are into the religion, they don't have the right to become wealthy. [00:34:18] Speaker B: Well, they don't. Here's why I think Mac is saying that. Because if you're truly of God for God, the messenger for God, how are you going to be so much better off than the people who you're quote unquote saving. You're saving people, but you're not really saving them. You're giving them an idea, but you have the money to literally save them. And you're doing none of that. [00:34:41] Speaker C: You're asking. [00:34:42] Speaker B: You fly more money. You're asking the people that need money to give you more money so you can say you're doing so that you're going to be saved. I can give you this information. You need to get to God. [00:34:54] Speaker A: I want to know if it was somebody that used to go to the church. [00:34:56] Speaker B: I don't have any information. I just saw probably. [00:34:58] Speaker C: He probably gave her last. And, like, looking at this nigga, like, fuck you. [00:35:03] Speaker B: Or maybe he. [00:35:03] Speaker C: I'm out here fucking 30 year old ice cream scooper. [00:35:07] Speaker B: Maybe he touched her. How many pastors, preachers, priest been touching people? Like, come on, man. There has to be. What is the aha moment for you niggas? What does it fucking take for you niggas to realize that that is a bullshit place to be? I know Max said he's rededicating his life to God and all that, bruh. What do you. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. A week ago. Two weeks ago. What is it that you niggas need to see before you realize that that ain't it. That's not. [00:35:39] Speaker C: That. That was more of a within thing. That is not going. I ain't going to nobody's church. I ain't fucking watching nobody's program. I ain't watching nobody's book or reading nobody's book. [00:35:51] Speaker B: Mac, if I told you I could levitate, you would make me prove it to you. You would not just go on faith. [00:35:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't believe none of these motherfuckers. [00:36:01] Speaker B: Come on. [00:36:01] Speaker C: I've been off on churches before we even started this show. [00:36:05] Speaker B: Are you off on the Bible? Because the Bible is what they're going. That's their reference material. Yeah, see, I don't know what you niggas need to see before y'all realize. Y'all. No, I'm gonna be quiet. [00:36:17] Speaker A: I'm done. I'm with you, man. [00:36:19] Speaker B: I'm done. I don't know what you niggas need. [00:36:20] Speaker A: Jamie Mac takes shrooms, so he's with you, too. When you do shrooms, you start to realize the shit. [00:36:25] Speaker B: Jamie Mac does not take shrooms. He's employed. [00:36:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't do shrooms. [00:36:31] Speaker B: What are you talking about, weirdo? [00:36:34] Speaker C: But, no, you're right, though. As far as, like, you can't be up like that. And then your congregations, there's people living check to check. Some of them, like, struggling to find whatever. And I'm not saying that he doesn't help anybody, but you got way more opportunity. [00:36:56] Speaker B: You don't need to be living in a mansion. [00:36:58] Speaker C: You don't need a private jet. You don't need all this other bullshit when you could be using that for the flock. [00:37:05] Speaker B: I don't mind him living in a mansion. If everybody's living okay, they don't got to be living in mansions, but they got to be okay. If you got people that are giving money to your church every week and they don't have shit and you live in a mansion, it's something wrong with that. There's something wrong with that. There's something wrong with that. Yeah. [00:37:21] Speaker C: And most of those big churches are that way. I'm not saying that there are not people that are affluent, but there are definitely. There are people that are just fucking broke, too, man. I couldn't watch a nigga. [00:37:35] Speaker B: It's crazy how we're just. To me, I feel like we're working in circles, man, because this is exactly the same thing. This is the same sentiment I had about that conversation I had with Rio when we were here a few weeks ago about the Dwayne Wade situation. Like, I get it. Dwayne Wade has $300 million. Can't nobody say nothing to him. You ain't never had 300 million, so how dare you? I get it. But then who can say anything about anybody? I got to make 300 million to tell Dwayne Wadey's wrong? That's ridiculous. I'm an intelligent person. I can't see. [00:38:08] Speaker A: That's why I want to dissociate from everything, man. It's like I want to go off the grid, because it's like people are not making sense anymore. Yeah, online, it all makes sense. You go outside. I went to the battery this weekend. I just looked around, and I'm like, yo, people are wearing. I saw somebody with all cornrows, but all hot pink. Like, pink power. [00:38:32] Speaker B: It was a guy or a girl? [00:38:33] Speaker A: It was a girl. [00:38:33] Speaker B: Okay. Lisa was a girl. Shit is Atlanta, you know? [00:38:35] Speaker A: Yeah, but the outfit was weird. It looked like a trash bag with the jacket and jeans that are ripped but painted. It's just like, what are we doing? [00:38:45] Speaker B: People just need to be seen so. [00:38:47] Speaker A: We don't look presentable. [00:38:49] Speaker B: I watched. There's a channel. Now there's a channel. [00:38:51] Speaker A: What is it called? [00:38:52] Speaker B: Damn. I can't think of what the name of it is what the guy does. He's a younger guy, too. He brings people on the show and tells them how their financial life is crazy. Like, it's stupid. Yo, you're spending $25 a month on this. He literally goes to and shows all their data, like what their bank statements say, what their credit cards are. And there was this one girl on there. She owned a spiritual cleansing and yoga studio type thing. Mac, you making a lot of noise. [00:39:17] Speaker C: My bad. [00:39:17] Speaker B: Yeah, that's cool. She was a spiritual coach and, like, a yoga person or something, right? And she was making, I think she said something like $85,000 a year, basically from this, but she thought she's supposed to have 40k months. That's what all the ones online are saying. So she's like, I want to be like them. And it turns out she was ridiculously in debt. She didn't understand interest. She thought that she could just pay her everything with a credit card and then just pay on it, and that would make it so it's like free money. Not realizing that the interest was compounding. And every month she's paying 21. Like, he told her how much she pays a year in interest if her card is fully charged. And she's like, what? She had no idea. But here's the crazy part. He made her look like a fucking idiot, but she's a coach. So now how do you go and ask somebody for money when I just showed you online looking like a fucking idiot, like a kid, now you're going to give me spiritual advice? He even says that shit. How do you feel about you giving someone advice when you don't even have the ability to take care of your own life? And she was like, well, but I'm just thinking to myself, what is wrong with these people that they need to be seen so bad that they're willing to ruin their business to be seen? She's thinking, well, all publicity is good publicity, but no, bitch, you a coach. You're a spiritual coach. Nobody is going to fuck with you again. [00:40:33] Speaker A: Now this guy's exposed that you don't. [00:40:35] Speaker B: Have any idea what the hell you're doing. Yeah, but she wanted to be seen so bad that I'll put on the red, the pink cornrows and the trash bag, and I'll go out to the battery because I need people to recognize me and validate me and see that I'm here and I don't care what the cost is. [00:40:51] Speaker A: Yeah, and this is the thing. If that's your swag, that's your swag. But my thing is, I could tell that's not her swag. She just decided to dress like that because she saw somebody else dress like that. [00:41:00] Speaker B: How could you tell that? [00:41:01] Speaker A: Because you're not even wearing it. [00:41:03] Speaker B: Hold on. What's funny, man? [00:41:04] Speaker A: Because you're not even wearing it. You can tell when people got weird styles, but it's authentic. Just the way they. [00:41:10] Speaker C: This nigga put the whole judgment. [00:41:13] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? The way they wear it. [00:41:15] Speaker C: I can tell. [00:41:16] Speaker A: Okay, you got a weird style, but the way you rocking it, you have an authentic approach to it. [00:41:21] Speaker B: I could tell. [00:41:22] Speaker A: She just see people online, and it's just like me. When I thought I was 50 cent and I started wearing oversized t shirts just because I love get rich. But I was ten. [00:41:34] Speaker B: You thought you were 50 cent? [00:41:36] Speaker A: Get rich was. [00:41:37] Speaker B: Even though you couldn't speak English, you thought you were 50 cent. [00:41:40] Speaker A: That was the power of 50 cent at the time. [00:41:42] Speaker B: Wow. [00:41:42] Speaker A: But that wasn't authentic because I went through that phase at ten. I can see it. But I'm like, you a grown woman. Why are you still going through this? [00:41:51] Speaker B: So what if. Side note, side note. What if the Apple vision pros, whenever you walk up and talk to somebody, it would tell you when they're lying or being dishonest or their body language is wrong. [00:42:01] Speaker A: That's what Joe Rogan was saying about technology, advancing it with the AI. He had a one with Aaron Rogers a couple of days ago. [00:42:08] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:42:09] Speaker A: And he was saying. He said his hope with AI is that niggas won't be able to lie no more. [00:42:14] Speaker B: Yeah, like, you walk up on me talking that shit like, bro, my apple vision pros gave me a red light. [00:42:18] Speaker A: That's why he was saying. He was like, yo, they won't be able to lie anymore because we'll be able to. And I'm like, it's going to take some time. [00:42:28] Speaker B: What if you could look at that chick and be like, yo, that's not her authentic self. She's faking that. [00:42:34] Speaker A: Or you could go to Joe Olsteen. [00:42:35] Speaker B: He's giving his sermon. That's not real. [00:42:38] Speaker A: He don't believe in this shit. That's what I'm saying. There will be no market, no more everybody lying. [00:42:45] Speaker B: You got to have a real business with a real product. You can't influence her. What the fuck is the influencer? [00:42:49] Speaker A: You can't provide services no more. [00:42:51] Speaker B: What if you could watch YouTube and see the motherfucker? They give you a light on them, too. You can't be an influencer no more. Because you're full of shit, nigga. Like, this chick is a spiritual coach who doesn't know how to even take care of her own life. She's so caught up in money. How could you be spiritually anything if you're so caught up in money that you're destitute? [00:43:07] Speaker C: There it is. [00:43:09] Speaker A: I don't even think it's money. They're caught up on aesthetics. [00:43:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess I know what you're trying to say. [00:43:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Because if it was really about money, they would put in the real work to get to the money. [00:43:21] Speaker B: Right. [00:43:21] Speaker A: You would grind for real and get to the money. So it's not even about money. You want to look like you got money more than actually getting money. [00:43:30] Speaker B: But I'm just saying, though, just the idea, though, of the reason why I brought that up was because you were saying the girl. It's just. Being seen is more important. [00:43:39] Speaker A: Being seen is more important. [00:43:40] Speaker C: I go back to this whole narcissist thing, and they say it's rare. I don't think it is. Everybody is about this. [00:43:52] Speaker A: I would say the social media would probably accelerate that type of behavior because selfies, like, everything is about self. If you do a ten year run with that, you might now implement in your life. And this is why everybody's acting like that. [00:44:12] Speaker C: Okay. I know that since the beginning of the show, I've tried to say that everybody's got add, or at least they tried to give it to a lot of us. And I believe that this is the reason why. Right. If you have a dopamine deficiency. But these fucking likes, when someone. You post something and someone puts a like next to it, it gives you a release. It becomes this addiction that you don't even know you have or know how to control. [00:44:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:48] Speaker C: And it's all you want is more of it. I want more of that. [00:44:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:57] Speaker B: That's how addiction works, Matt. [00:44:58] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. [00:45:01] Speaker C: So I don't know, man. [00:45:04] Speaker B: Your sound changed. [00:45:06] Speaker C: Yeah, someone tried to holler at me. [00:45:09] Speaker B: Okay, we got you back now. [00:45:11] Speaker A: Yeah. So I think we got to take what Biana said, understanding that we can still control these tools and put whatever restrictions, especially if you have somebody young, because we need to do that. Because I see why they get into immigrants. So listeners who have kids and who. [00:45:31] Speaker B: Didn'T know you could do this, look up your router, the model and make of your router on Google, and look at how you can do something called filtering, website filtering. It'll show you how to connect your computer, your laptop, up to your router with an Ethernet cable. Like directly, not through Wi Fi. You connect directly. You may have a Wi Fi login, but you have to look for that. It might be on the bottom of the router or something. Either way, you can connect directly to your router and you can let it show you all the websites that are being viewed, and you can go in and pick those out and block those permanently for everybody on the network. And I mean, maybe that means you don't need to watch as much of it either, but you can absolutely get things like world star hip hop, or those things to be filtered out. You can even set up two. You could split your network and have two versions of your network. One that is filtered for the kids that they log in, they have the password to, and one that you have for yourself and your wife, or your husband or whoever, and that's all the adults, and you could use that one. You all know this, right? They're 5 channels that are there. Put your kids on a 2.4, put yourself on the five, make it different passwords. Filter the shit out of the 2.4 and let the five be wide open. And don't give the kids a damn password. Be an adult. Be a fucking adult. Do a little research and do the. [00:46:47] Speaker A: Work and talk to your kids. Let them know why. And that's another thing. I'm not a parent. I'm not going to tell nobody how to parent. But my parents did that shit. And now that I'm older, I'm like, you understand? That shit came in handy. They talked to me, they never like sugarcoat shit. They explained to me why they were doing things. Even when I got in trouble, it wasn't a beating. They explained to me. And then I had conversations. That's what I was talking about. When we're talking about parents reading too, I know that lady, I just know her as a mom, right? [00:47:18] Speaker B: It wasn't just a placeholder, it was a real relationship. [00:47:20] Speaker A: Yeah, and go back to doing that, man. I don't think people are talking to their kids no more. And the reason why I say that is because the little time when I'm around my nephew and I hang out with his little friends, and the little conversation I have, and the wonders that little conversation do, because I'm a little cool 28 year old. And in their eyes, you're not that cool. In their eyes they're like twelve. I realize, like, damn, maybe you should. [00:47:46] Speaker B: Only hang around twelve year olds. You be the man. [00:47:48] Speaker A: They need to start talking to their kids because it's like. I can see that. Yeah. Because when you're a kid, you ask a lot of questions and they shut you down, you're going to stop and you're just going to stick to your phone. [00:48:00] Speaker B: So I did something with my girls when they were in. I didn't let them wear makeup. I didn't let them get weave. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Child abuse. [00:48:07] Speaker B: Now wear high heels. I didn't let them do any of that. So they couldn't even have boyfriends until they were in high school. [00:48:11] Speaker A: Like 16 high school or 14 high school. [00:48:13] Speaker B: High school. Just high school, period. [00:48:15] Speaker A: Okay. [00:48:15] Speaker B: Just high school, period. They couldn't have boyfriends until they were in high school. I like the reason why. [00:48:22] Speaker A: What about the makeup? [00:48:23] Speaker B: No makeup. [00:48:24] Speaker A: Okay. [00:48:24] Speaker B: The whole high school, no makeup. Now, if it was an event, prom or something big, yes, you could, but it was restricted to just those special events. We've never makeup. Not unless there was an event. You see what I'm saying? So stuff like dyeing hair? No, you can't. No. Because what is the look supposed to mean when you dye your hair? What are you doing it for? What's the purpose? [00:48:50] Speaker A: To look sexier? [00:48:51] Speaker B: To look like what? No, we're not doing that. Yeah, we're not doing that. And both my girls came back to me as adults and were like, I understand why you did it. They may not have gotten it then, and they may have snuck out and changed out in the car or something like that. But the point was, I instilled in them something that they carried forward and they understood why. So even if they did sneak out and do it behind my back, now they get it and they're probably glad I did do that to them. [00:49:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I might have to take. [00:49:16] Speaker B: Same goes with the filtering, though. This is all the same conversation, bro. This is not different than me not letting my girls wear heels or makeup. It's no different than you going on the website and filtering it. There probably are apps that will do this shit for you. Just do the research. There are probably apps you can log into and we'll go in and do your whole network let you do it and break it up to where you. [00:49:36] Speaker A: Have a password inside of YouTube. You could do it where you put. [00:49:40] Speaker B: In a password when every time you want to watch something, you make it. [00:49:42] Speaker A: Kid proof and things like that. [00:49:44] Speaker B: And it asks for you to give a different password. Right? [00:49:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Switch the YouTube account. [00:49:47] Speaker B: Right. No, I'm saying, like, I'm talking about where you have a website that I'm sure they already had this. If not this is a good idea, guys. If you're trying to create a business, create an app that will connect to the router and allows the administrator to set up certain filters. You go to Pornhob.com and it'll say, thanks for coming here. What's the password? And you have to put in your password that your kid doesn't have. And now you can watch all the porn you want to. They're going to get that website. And kids these days are so smart, they'll work or get a workaround. No, they could be smarter. Figure out the workaround. Workaround to where they can't work around. [00:50:21] Speaker A: The workaround and then have conversations with them. That way they're not even going to try to have a workaround. You, they're going to understand. [00:50:27] Speaker B: Yeah, like, this ain't for you yet because when do you think kids start watching porn? Ten? [00:50:31] Speaker A: Yeah, around that age. [00:50:32] Speaker B: So you think your ten year old. [00:50:34] Speaker A: Is smarter than you? [00:50:35] Speaker B: If your ten year old is smarter than. You're a fucking asshole. You are. If your ten year old can work technology better than you, baby. [00:50:44] Speaker A: You're a fucking asshole, baby Einstein or some shit. [00:50:47] Speaker B: No, they're not baby Einstein. We just said they're dumb as fuck. [00:50:50] Speaker A: I'm just saying that's the only way. [00:50:52] Speaker B: They'Re getting Chat GPT to learn how to break your shit. Well, shit, you use chat Chat GPT, too, then. I'm not using that shit. Fuck Chat GPT. Okay, well, here it goes. [00:51:01] Speaker C: Here we are, then. [00:51:03] Speaker B: Here we are. [00:51:05] Speaker A: What else we got, y'all? You good, Matt? [00:51:11] Speaker B: He looked mad, doesn't he? [00:51:14] Speaker C: No, I'm not bad. I had to mute, but I said that goes back to being inherently integrated with it. As far as them, this is second nature, where you're having to kind of stumble and get acclimated, and that digital divide is real. [00:51:32] Speaker B: No, it don't got to be, though. That's a you problem. [00:51:36] Speaker C: That's true. That's true. [00:51:37] Speaker B: Problem, man. All those people that are like, I got to get my nephew to hook up my computer for me. You're an idiot. You're a grown up. Fucking learn. Learn this shit, man. I'm too old for this stuff. No, you're not. [00:51:51] Speaker C: Too lazy. [00:51:52] Speaker B: Be a kid again and learn like a kid. What else we got, Mac? Is it on you? [00:51:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:04] Speaker C: But I just got an emergency just came up. [00:52:07] Speaker B: Okay, all right. You want us to let you go? [00:52:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:10] Speaker A: All right. [00:52:12] Speaker C: Okay. [00:52:13] Speaker A: But you were making a point about when you were saying how the technology can help the blind people, people that are paralegic. Whatever. [00:52:21] Speaker B: Paralegals. [00:52:21] Speaker A: Yeah. I was reading an article about how AI can help with the dead. Let's say, for example, somebody you love died. Yeah. The AI could, because of the data that's collected, you could still have conversations with that person through the AI. [00:52:40] Speaker B: Transcendence, like your movie transcendence. [00:52:41] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty much. [00:52:42] Speaker B: We upload their essence to a computer. [00:52:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I do it. But you could have conversations with them. Like the AI will make their voice. I do it. [00:52:50] Speaker B: And you'll do that. I do that. [00:52:52] Speaker A: I feel like. [00:52:53] Speaker B: Is it really them? Are we saying that we've gotten technology to the point where it's really them? [00:52:58] Speaker A: Well, for that article, it was talking about utilizing the data of that person to get. [00:53:04] Speaker B: So it's artificial intelligence. [00:53:05] Speaker A: Yeah, it's AI for the day. So it's like whatever they used to like, but also things maybe recorded they're going to have just so you can still have a piece of them. [00:53:16] Speaker B: See, I don't think people know this about chat, GPT and all that stuff yet. They don't realize that that's a language model. That was loaded. [00:53:23] Speaker A: Yeah, but the AI they're working on now is not language model based. [00:53:26] Speaker B: Yeah, no, but it can't not be language model based. [00:53:29] Speaker A: That could be the first code, right? [00:53:31] Speaker B: Yeah, but it can't not be that. It's a computer still, even though it may have gotten sentience. Okay, it's still a computer, so it had to be loaded with something originally. And to say, well, they're not doing that anymore. It starts there, so you can't say, they're not doing that anymore. It always is going to be that. That's the basis of how this works. I feed information to this computer and it learns based off the information that I've given it. Just like a kid. You teach a kid, hey, don't touch that oven. It's going to be hot and you'll burn your hand. So you keep telling that, nope, don't touch the oven. [00:54:01] Speaker A: So that information is their Instagram search history, their Internet search history, just their old conversations that's been recorded. [00:54:09] Speaker B: Well, yeah, well, my point was, though, that all of this AI stuff, it's a piece of us. It's not like there's this idea that AI is going to create its own reality. It's not. It's creating the reality that we've prepared it for. It's creating what we think our wildest dreams are. So whatever our wildest dreams are, AI is trying to solve those wildest dreams, but it's not outside of the encapsulation of what we consider to be far out, we have to dream it for AI to be able to. You see what I'm saying? [00:54:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:37] Speaker B: That's what I think people are missing is that they think, oh, AI can now create its own thing. No, it's still within the confines of the language model. It's still within the confines of what we're now. I don't know if they're going to ever get outside of that, but it seems like it'd be difficult to. Just like the same way where we can't get outside of our realm of existence, right. God to us is outside of our existence, right. [00:54:58] Speaker A: Yes. [00:54:58] Speaker B: We're never going to be able to get outside of that to get to God. And I think AI is the same, but I think we're so scared of it that we don't realize that it still has constraints. [00:55:07] Speaker A: There's a show that came out recently called murder at the end of the world. [00:55:10] Speaker B: Okay. [00:55:12] Speaker A: The concept is like this billionaire guy invited some of the smartest people in the world to create the future because famine, all these things. Right? Right. Long story short, I'm not trying to ruin it, but long story short, there was a murder, right? [00:55:26] Speaker B: Okay, at the end of the world. [00:55:29] Speaker A: Well, it wasn't at the end of the world, but there was a murder, but it was not the people that committed the crime. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Okay. [00:55:37] Speaker A: Somebody did commit the crime, but the person that orchestrated the crime was the AI. [00:55:44] Speaker B: Right. [00:55:44] Speaker A: But the reason why the AI did it is because of the owners. While this dream, because the owner used to feed the AI his fears, his goals, and the AI felt that person could impact that goal. So the AI took matters into his own hands. [00:56:01] Speaker B: Right. [00:56:03] Speaker A: So when you said that the AI can only do things that we. And that showed, because it kind of really showed that, because it's like we thought the AI was like super smart, but the AI only did that. [00:56:14] Speaker B: Boundaries. [00:56:15] Speaker A: The AI only did it, though, because the owner used to talk to. Because the owner didn't trust nobody. So the AI became this therapist. So when he used to confess to the AI about his fears and stuff, he expressed those things, okay? So when the AI is calculating all these things and he saw that person, he's like, oh, this person can links to this and links to that that could eventually impact his world. So, oh, this is an enemy. Boom. I don't want to give all the show, but it's a pretty good show. [00:56:43] Speaker B: But I don't know that that's proof. It's anecdotal. But the idea is sound is that there are still boundaries. You're going to be better than me, but you're still going to be at my floor to the level of my, like, as far as I can go mentally. That's as far as you're going to be able to. No, no, they'll be able to innovate and yeah, they'll be able to innovate, but only in the way that we able. They're not going to ever be able to be better than the maker. We'll never be better than God because God sits outside of our existence. We sit outside of AI's existence. And yes, God is dying right now. People are killing God, you know what I'm saying? In a figurative sense. And, I mean, maybe we have a figurative death. Maybe human life turns into something a little more analog, like Mac was saying. Maybe we don't have access to the riches of the world anymore, but I don't know that AI is capable of killing God in the way that killing us in the way that we're able to kill God. It's just figurative, right? [00:57:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:39] Speaker B: And, I mean, I could be totally wrong. I could be totally wrong, but, yeah. [00:57:43] Speaker A: Back to the AI for the dead. I thought it was cool. When I first read, I was, oh, that's dope. Especially if you lost a child, somebody that was unexpected. But I started to think more and more about it. I'm like, I don't know. Because is that really healthy? Because you never will mourn properly. [00:57:56] Speaker B: Not just that. Here's the part that probably nobody ever stated or thought about. All your interactions with that person weren't positive. So what happens when y'all have an argument? [00:58:08] Speaker A: I guess you can shut the AI off. [00:58:09] Speaker B: Yeah, but then what? What does that mean? So then you shut it off, but when it comes back, it's like, why'd you put me to sleep? I was lonely in here. [00:58:18] Speaker A: Yeah, that was a black Mary episode like that with his wife. His wife became like a small thing in his brain. [00:58:22] Speaker B: I didn't see that one. [00:58:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:24] Speaker B: Is that on the newer ones? [00:58:25] Speaker A: It was an older season. [00:58:26] Speaker B: Okay. I feel like I missed a couple of them. I didn't realize that I did. So I may need to go back and start from scratch and see if I see each one and go to the next one. Yeah. What happens when you argue with the shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, what if it's your wife and your wife used to nag you or something, and now she starts nagging you in the fucking computer you're like, bruh, you cannot do this shit in the virtual world, too, my nigga. Why didn't you air blow my fans? [00:58:52] Speaker A: That was my thing. I was like, oh, this is cool in theory, but if you really experience death in a family or whatever, you have to accept it. If you never accept it, you're not going to be able to move forward when it comes to that person. And if you got this thing that could always make it at least feel like they're always here. [00:59:14] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:59:14] Speaker B: What do you think the worst feeling in the world is, though? I would say the loss of someone that you love. [00:59:19] Speaker A: Yeah, loss of maybe. [00:59:21] Speaker B: I don't care if I can't move forward without them, I'm moving forward with them still. I'm getting the opportunity to move forward with them. If that's the worst pain you can think of, which I think probably is. [00:59:31] Speaker A: That'S one of the worst. Yeah, for sure. [00:59:32] Speaker B: I don't know that I don't want that even still. And that's a tough. [00:59:36] Speaker A: I mean, that's why they say there will be a market for it, right? It's not going to be like everybody's going to use it. This is like what Jamie Mack was saying earlier. We don't need to find a solution for everything. [00:59:48] Speaker B: But that's one that maybe we do, though. Think about how many people's lives change. Did you see that buster Rhymes interview where he was talking with the guy, the light skinned guy from England or whatever? He was talking about why he didn't do music for a decade was because the loss of his dad, he just couldn't put it back together. And this is one of our greatest, you know what I'm saying? [01:00:04] Speaker A: I just listened to his last album, came out this past year, maybe late last year. [01:00:08] Speaker B: It was right before this album came out. [01:00:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it was pretty bust of rhyme. It was good. [01:00:11] Speaker B: Yeah. But he's saying the reason why he didn't for so long was because he was mourning. His dad's dead. He couldn't put the pieces back together. He couldn't do it. So imagine if he had had his dad on his iPhone to kind of talk him through. Sometimes he was rough and maybe just hearing that voice with the computer, being able to process the logic and the sound way that his dad would speak to him if it could recreate that. [01:00:34] Speaker A: And I think that's the best thing about it, is because it could give you that voice. Because, you know, sometimes some people do gifts, like, they record, like, the last voicemail from the person put in a teddy bear and stuff like that. I think the most important thing is. [01:00:46] Speaker B: That this is better than that because it's real time. So whatever that message was in the teddy bear, it might not be specific to what you're going through right now, but the AI version of that person. [01:00:55] Speaker A: Could talk about the Super bowl right now, right? [01:00:59] Speaker B: I don't know, man. It's scary because, you know, it's not really them, but it's comforting because it's a piece of them. It's not necessarily what they would say if they had all the information going forward, but up to the point when they died, it's all that information. [01:01:13] Speaker A: Do you look at it as, like, artists? You know how when an artist like Michael Jackson, when he died, he say, yes, he's dead, but his music will always live on? Do you look at that as the music, technically? Because if your favorite artist died, you could always listen to that music to take you back to whatever nostalgic moment you had that made them your favorite artist. Or if Kobe's dead. But we can watch the 81 point game. We can go back to what they left this world. Do you think that's the same approach just with your data? [01:01:48] Speaker B: Yeah, it's almost like. Is that Mac trying to get back in? I'm not sure. [01:01:55] Speaker A: I thought he was saying, are you still there? [01:01:58] Speaker B: Okay. No, he's just letting us know he's not coming back because you got to bounce, too. Yeah. What about, say, 81 point game Kobe? You were saying? Is that like the music? [01:02:10] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like when an artist or celebrity is pretty much that represents that same factor. [01:02:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I would say so. Because, again, it's going to be capped off by when they pass. They actually pass in the physical world. So any information they have, I wonder, would it load in newer information, like, you see Mahomes in the Super bowl? Like, would it know how to talk to you about that? [01:02:29] Speaker A: Probably do. A probability. [01:02:31] Speaker B: Well, see, I think it'd be cool if it could learn from you, not from anywhere else. So maybe you tell it what's going on now, and it uses. I don't know. It's very weird. [01:02:42] Speaker A: The more data you can give it, the better. [01:02:45] Speaker B: It's very od. But I think there's something special about being able to. If I could just hug him one more time, if I could hug my mom or my dad one more time, if I could just tell. Tell them I finally made it at something. They didn't get a chance to see that they passed before I became a millionaire. Before I created that drug that saved lives, that cured the disease they had, or. You know what I'm saying? Imagine if you could just let them know, and even though it's not really them, it's the essence of. I don't know, man. I was thinking when you first started talking more along the lines of transcendence, which was that movie was about, they take your consciousness, your actual consciousness, and upload it to a computer. [01:03:26] Speaker A: Do you think that will be possible? [01:03:27] Speaker C: Yeah, but it's volatile, because what if. [01:03:31] Speaker B: The power grid goes down forever? [01:03:34] Speaker A: Then you really did. [01:03:35] Speaker B: They're dead forever. Like, they're going. [01:03:37] Speaker A: You see, the way I look at consciousness, I don't think it's like something. Even though they say DNA is, like, the best hard drive. I don't know if consciousness is part of DNA, because the reason why, you know how when you talk to yourself and you can hear the voice, who's talking and who's doing the hearing, is it two different consciousness? You know how when you talk to yourself, in your head, there's a voice talking, but who's also doing the hearing? [01:04:01] Speaker B: Well, no. [01:04:03] Speaker A: Is it the same consciousness? [01:04:05] Speaker B: That's the thing, though. Is it your ego, or is it you? And that's the separation you have to learn how to combat. Because if your ego is not for you, it's self serving, and if it's you, I don't know, man. Does your voice, when you hear voices, is it your voice when I talk to myself? It's my voice? [01:04:21] Speaker A: Yeah. It's my voice? Yeah. [01:04:22] Speaker B: And I don't know if it's something disguising itself as me, like the AI is going to disguise itself as your lost loved one. [01:04:27] Speaker A: But I always think that's the better version of myself. [01:04:30] Speaker B: Which one? In your head? [01:04:31] Speaker A: The voice in my head? Yeah. [01:04:33] Speaker B: Why? [01:04:37] Speaker A: Because I think that's also, like, the gut feeling. [01:04:42] Speaker B: Right? [01:04:44] Speaker A: I think it's closer to the. It's my consciousness in a sense, so I think it's that. [01:04:51] Speaker B: Tell me more about the interactions you have with yourself. [01:04:54] Speaker A: It goes from simple things to shit I need to do, things I need to work on. [01:04:59] Speaker B: So, like when you're talking yourself through something, right? [01:05:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:01] Speaker B: Is that you talking to the consciousness talking? Because, see, I think that's me talking. [01:05:05] Speaker A: It's me talking, but it's you talking to what? [01:05:08] Speaker B: To my consciousness. [01:05:09] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. So who's doing the talking and who's doing the hearing? Am I hearing the consciousness or I'm telling, and the consciousness is hearing. That's what I'm saying, because it's happening at the same time. It's like one is talking and another one is hearing what the other one is talking and could probably even have a rebuttal. [01:05:26] Speaker B: Well, when you look in a mirror, who's looking and who's projecting and who's viewing, you're doing both. [01:05:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:34] Speaker B: You're doing both. [01:05:35] Speaker A: Right. [01:05:35] Speaker B: So that's consciousness is like a mirror. You're projecting and viewing at the same time. I know that the mirror is not actually you. It's a representation of you. But I think consciousness is that too. It's our ability to project and witness. You know what I'm saying? And I know that doesn't make sense, but I don't think that it should. It needs to. Yeah. If you understand a mirror, then you understand your consciousness. You know what I'm saying? The problem comes, though, is when you go into a crazy fun house and the mirror is distorted, so it's not you. And that's where it becomes trouble. Because I know how I look. Right? [01:06:13] Speaker A: Take a drug or something, right. [01:06:15] Speaker B: But I know how I look. So if I look in that mirror, like, oh, this is some crazy shit going on. This isn't really me, but do I know how I sound when it's like that? And that'll be the scary thing. It's like, yo, my brain is. My consciousness is misleading me. It's giving me that fun house mirror as opposed to the mirror I'm used to seeing of myself. That's where it gets scary. Because how do you know? How do you know you're in a. I know how to see myself in a fun mirror because I've seen myself in the mirror so many times. But something more abstract like this. How do you know? You could have been talked to the wrong thing the whole time. You could have never had a clear view. It could have always been distorted, and you don't know that. And how could you know? And I don't think you ever would know because you don't have anything to contextualize it against, nothing to reference it against. So that distorted view of yourself, that's crazy. [01:07:01] Speaker A: Do you put consciousness in a spirit is the same thing? In a sense, sure. [01:07:06] Speaker B: Okay. Because honestly, I don't have a real word for either of those things. [01:07:09] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Because I remember when my uncle was dying, and then when he was just. [01:07:13] Speaker B: His body, I was like, oh, this. [01:07:15] Speaker A: Is just his body now. This is not him. No. After he was passed, now he was still technically alive. Because he had all the cords and stuff. He was doing dialysis, but they were. [01:07:22] Speaker B: Keeping him alive on the machines. [01:07:23] Speaker A: Well, this is when he got rid of the dialysis, so he had, like, a couple of days left. [01:07:27] Speaker B: Okay. [01:07:27] Speaker A: And then I was like, oh, he's gone. [01:07:30] Speaker B: Gone. [01:07:30] Speaker A: His name was Pierre. Pierre is gone. This is just Pierre's body. That's just chill. [01:07:34] Speaker B: What made you feel like that? [01:07:35] Speaker A: You could just look in his eyes. You could see there's no. [01:07:38] Speaker B: His eyes were open. [01:07:38] Speaker A: Yeah. There was no more soul. You could just feel it. You just look at him, and you'd be like, oh, there's nothing there. No more. It's just a shell. And I was like, how old were you? I was like, he died in 21 2021. So it was just that week when he was dying, me and my mom, we was going to spend his last days with him. And I was just like, I can see how each day he's getting worse. And then I saw it. This is when he left us Monday. But by Thursday, he was gone. This was just the body. And that let me know, like, oh, this is when your spirit or your consciousness probably goes somewhere else, because this body is no longer good at hosting it. That's why I don't know if we could ever download the conscious. [01:08:20] Speaker B: I just thought of an issue, because the original state of what you're talking about would be a computer that you talk to, and it's just a speaker, a microphone and a speaker. [01:08:27] Speaker A: Right, I know, but the computer. That speaker is the body. But because that thing is inside the computer chip to project it, you could still feel there's something. But when that speaker doesn't have that. [01:08:40] Speaker B: It'S just a speaker. Right. But what I'm saying is, the dark side of this could also be that they start making it situations where I have the ability to reanimate Pierre, and when he's laying in that bed, he's no longer not there. He's there, but it's not him. It's now the AI neuralinked into his brain or something. Yeah. [01:09:02] Speaker A: It could get to that level. [01:09:03] Speaker B: Yeah. And the neuralink could tell his body to keep working. Like, when his body's like, no, I'm done. [01:09:08] Speaker A: Just kind of like when you put your body in those pumps and stuff. [01:09:11] Speaker B: When you can't feed yourself, would you want that? But they couldn't leave the hospital. Obviously, they have to stay in the hospital. [01:09:19] Speaker A: If I still have to stay now, I don't want it, because I always say, if I got to the point where I need something to keep me up. You can just kill me. [01:09:29] Speaker B: Keep you up? You tell me, like, keep me alive. Alive. [01:09:33] Speaker A: You can just kill me because, you. [01:09:35] Speaker B: Know Max, if his dick don't work, he want to die. [01:09:42] Speaker A: I could still feel some titties. [01:09:45] Speaker B: Use a finger. You could still mess around. [01:09:48] Speaker A: There's a lot of other ways you. [01:09:49] Speaker B: Can still record yourself masturbating. That's a tough one, though, man. Nobody wants to lose their parents or their especially kid. [01:10:00] Speaker A: Like a parent losing a kid. A parent losing a kid. [01:10:03] Speaker B: I don't know, man. People say that, but there's nothing worse than losing somebody, no matter who that person is. Losing a friend is terrible. Yeah, it's all terrible, man. I don't know. That's real sketchy to me, man. I don't know. Accepting that thing, I don't know. That's still too far away for me. We haven't gotten there yet for me to be like, oh, yeah, vision pro. That on a vision pro, my relative, you know what I'm saying? I don't know about that one, man. You can only see them in the vision pro, and it's like a hologram of them. Like they're in the room with you. Like, yo, that's wild, though. Imagine that, though. Instead of it being a speaker and a microphone, imagine you put your vision pros on and the pier is sitting over there on the couch with you. You know what I'm saying? Like, what the fuck? And they're talking in their voice, and they're saying shit like they used to say, you know what I think about now? Well, what are we doing then? What is virtual reality if we're not going to do that, too? [01:11:01] Speaker A: Well, I think that's the point. It's going to get to that point. But first, it might start with a Pierre avatar. Not him, but the avatar will have his voice. [01:11:10] Speaker B: But why wouldn't we want Pierre's avatar in our virtual. We know it's apple Pro. Vision pro. We know that there's not really a basketball game on my wall. We know that. Even though I see it in the goggles, I know that if I take these goggles off, there's not actually a 900 inch tv on my wall. I know that. [01:11:27] Speaker A: Back to Black Mirror. Those guys that were playing the video games, they had to get to the real world to see if that shit fell just the same. [01:11:34] Speaker B: Well, that nigga said, yo, kiss me. Let's figure out whether or not this is real. And the one dude liked it and the other dude did, yo, what the fuck. [01:11:45] Speaker A: That episode was wild because the solution was she gets a cheat week so you could virtually fuck your homeboy. [01:11:54] Speaker B: In a video game. [01:11:57] Speaker A: I was like, yeah, she gets the fuck in real life, right? [01:12:00] Speaker B: You're fake fucking the nigga. And it's a nigga. But I mean, he's dressed up like Chun Li, though. Wait a minute. No, she could dress up as whatever. Oh, yeah, he was the girl. The dude who was like, lovesick or whatever. He was the girl. Okay. [01:12:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:12] Speaker B: So I don't know, man. It's a girl in virtual reality, so technically, that's odd. That's so od, man. That's why everybody had trouble with it. That's why I was. So when I showed my wife, because I was somewhere, I think I was on that fishing trip with Mac and we were talking about it and she hadn't seen it yet. When we got back to Atlanta, I showed it to her. Mouth was open the entire. [01:12:33] Speaker A: That episode opened a lot of box. Because it's like, what if it really gets that far? Because they do want to make you feel things and have sensations. So when it connects to all your senses, isn't it cheating? Because now what's the separation? Does it just happen through the Xbox? [01:12:53] Speaker B: How do you feel about that? How would you feel if your girl got on that and was getting real dick? It felt like real dick to her. [01:13:02] Speaker A: I would look at it as cheating. Just like if you committed relationship and you go pay an escort because it is a fantasy. I don't know that the escort is real world. [01:13:12] Speaker B: But is your girl cheating on you when she talks on the phone to a guy because they have a good conversation. [01:13:19] Speaker A: You can have good conversations with other people in relationship. [01:13:22] Speaker B: Yeah, but that doesn't mean she's cheating, though, right? [01:13:24] Speaker A: No, she's just fulfilling one part of. [01:13:26] Speaker B: Her life that you're not fulfilling at that time. It's somebody else doing it. I don't know that there is any difference than that. And having a virtual boyfriend, I mean, not like boyfriend like you all go out on dates, but virtual boy, that nigga gets her virtual dick from time to time. I don't know, man. I don't know. [01:13:44] Speaker A: I don't know. [01:13:45] Speaker B: That's cheating. [01:13:46] Speaker A: I don't know if it's cheating, but the way I look at it is how much validation are we giving it? Because look at something as basic as Instagram, you liking a picture of a model can fuck up your relationship. And this is you just liking. [01:13:58] Speaker B: No, that's with immature people. [01:14:00] Speaker A: But I'm just saying, I'm showing. [01:14:01] Speaker B: My wife would not triple me if I liked a model's picture. [01:14:04] Speaker A: Same here with my girl. But that is a thing. So I'm looking at it. If that small shit is a thing, that's definitely going to be a thing. I like the model's picture. Now I can virtually fuck her. Dissociation. We need to take all of this. It's happening so fast. I don't think we're having the conversations for it. [01:14:29] Speaker B: I don't think that I'd have a problem with it now if it became a situation where we're not having sex anymore because that's all she's wanting to do. [01:14:35] Speaker A: What if it starts to be more enjoyable than that, just like suddenly. [01:14:38] Speaker B: Well, it will be because she's able to choose. It's not a real person, so she can define each thing. [01:14:44] Speaker A: So that's what I'm saying now. It's going to impact your real sex lives. [01:14:47] Speaker B: Maybe. Or maybe it'll enhance our real sex. [01:14:49] Speaker A: Lives because you'll get on it too well. [01:14:51] Speaker B: No, it's just that I'm just talking about just for her, right? Let's say, for instance, there's something that I like that she doesn't necessarily like. Or let me see, how can I explain this? Because the point I'm trying to make, though, is that at the end, she's able to do some things that she can't do with me, and it makes our sex uncomfortable because she's like, well, I know he wants to do this, or I know I want to do this and he doesn't, or whatever. So now she's getting to fulfill that. So that when we get to our sex, we just get to do what we like to do together. We're getting to do the things we like to do and the things she doesn't like. Like, for instance, my wife may want to talk about period blood. I don't really want to talk to my wife about period blood. So, hey, it's great if she's got a friend that just loves talking about period blood, right? I don't consider that a cheat. I consider that means that when we do talk, we talk about things that we both want to talk about, because she has an outlet to talk about period blood. You know what I'm saying? And that means that that situation is settled for her. She's happy because she gets to talk about period blood. And then we come back to our relationship. We don't have to talk about the fact that we can't have sex today for the next few days because she's on her period, you know what I'm saying? And that clears us up to be able to talk about things, but she's not unfulfilled because she had the opportunity to let that outlet go. Right. And that's how I think I would probably look at it. It's like, yo, she's just getting the opportunity to have an outlet for the stuff that I'm not going to do. [01:16:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I think the fear with that is like you say, it could possibly enhance it. Just like how you could use a sex toy to help enhance your sex with your girl. All that. You could use it as like a virtual sex toy, I guess. [01:16:25] Speaker B: It's not a band aid, though. And see, that's what I'm saying. It's not a band aid. So if your relationship fucking sucks, it's not a band aid. So have a better relationship and then you can allow your girl to do stuff. [01:16:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:34] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? Like, if your girl decided to take a girl strip, would you be worried? [01:16:37] Speaker A: No, she just took one. [01:16:39] Speaker B: Me either. [01:16:39] Speaker A: She just came back from one. [01:16:40] Speaker B: I wouldn't be worried. Not because I don't think she has the capacity to cheat on me, because it's not that everybody has the capacity to cheat, but I think that we're fulfilled in our relationship enough to where it would be so odd. Why would you even do. It'd be so od for her to cheat. You know what I'm saying? We've been through so much together and lasted through so many things. That's like cheap. That's almost cheap. That's what you think of this? I don't even think that she thinks like that. So if she did cheat, there would be two things. If she did cheat. If she did cheat, it would probably be some bullshit. It wouldn't even be like, no real cheat. It would be like fucked up. Yeah. It'd be something crazy, like silly almost. It wouldn't be a situation where I feel like she's going to leave me. Now there's this other relationship that's going on, and now we're done because she doesn't love me anymore. I don't think that. So I don't think that her getting some goggles and masturbating or having that virtual sex or whatever is threatening to me. Because I think we're good enough. [01:17:36] Speaker A: Right? [01:17:36] Speaker B: I think that those perpetuate. The people that perpetuate the idea of that don't have good relationships, they're not solid in their relationship, or they're very insecure. But mostly they're insecure because they don't have a solid relationship. There's something wrong in their relationship to where they can't allow their girl to go on a girl's trip and not be like, yo, what are you doing? What's your itinerary for today? [01:17:58] Speaker A: When my wife goes on trips like. [01:17:59] Speaker B: That, I don't even call. No, I give her freedom. I give her time. When she calls me is when she calls me. I don't want to catch her at 03:00 p.m. And like, oh, stop having fun for a minute and talk to me. You know what I'm saying? I want to give her the ability to whatever that is. And if she has time to call me, cool. And if she doesn't, I understand. Because she's in fucking paradise. And I'm in fucking because my girl. [01:18:19] Speaker A: Just came back from Gatlinburg with her friends. [01:18:21] Speaker B: Gatlinburg? Yeah. Cabins and little parks and theme parks and, like, rippies, believe it or not. Museum and shit like that. All that stuff. Yeah, I've been there. It's just I think that that's more about you than about the device. [01:18:39] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely those conversations. But we can take it. Everything you just said about why your girl can go on a girl strip, I can extend it to. This is what the people that swing says, too. They're so comfortable in their relationship. [01:18:53] Speaker B: I get it. I don't disagree. [01:18:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:56] Speaker B: But I'm going to take it a step further. This is why it'd be good for you to have Pierre in virtual reality. Because you have a relationship with yourself that you know, hey, this is not my life. This is me getting a chance to still connect with Pierre on some level. It may not be the real level. Know he can go to the movies with me. Maybe he can go, I don't know. [01:19:20] Speaker A: Y'all can watch a movie. [01:19:20] Speaker B: He could be on the couch. And you're looking at division pro. He's over on the couch, and y'all are both watching the wall movie. So, like, you know what I'm saying? It is. But you have a relationship with yourself enough to know that it's not. And to me, that's what the graduation of all this is. The ability to use AI, to use technology, but still have a strong enough base to where that's not more important than my real sex with my real wife. Like, I get that this thing, this woman on this virtual reality knows exactly what I like, knows exactly what I want, and is willing to do all those things with no questions. I get the value in that, but to me, that just enhances the ability for me to do whatever with my wife. And it'd be better, not worse. I can see where people could take it wrong. [01:20:06] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, definitely. We could take it to something like porn. Like, if you become such an avid porn watcher, you may not want to enjoy real sex anymore, but you got to have that right balance so we don't even have to take it as far as, like, virtual fucking. It could happen right now. Everything goes back with balance. And I think that was my initial point with the whole technology thing is like, we no longer have this thing to balance it even. Like you said, I grew up with television, but when you grew up with television, you first started, it was like scheduled television at 09:00 there was nothing on anymore. Eventually, over time. [01:20:42] Speaker B: I'm not that old, I'm just saying. [01:20:43] Speaker A: But it came with some structure. [01:20:45] Speaker B: It was like 03:00 a.m., yeah, it. [01:20:47] Speaker A: Came with some fucking structure. It didn't just start with all the channels. We're now in a place with technology where it starts with all the channels, right? And in nothing. That's the problem. [01:20:58] Speaker B: It has to start somewhere for them. It's starting at all the channels. It's going to get better. It's going to be more. [01:21:04] Speaker A: More channels. [01:21:05] Speaker B: So now that we've had that conversation, how do you feel about AI for the dead now? Do you still feel the same way, not doing it, or you feel like maybe, or you feel like. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, maybe. [01:21:15] Speaker A: And then I will probably put some control tools to not. [01:21:21] Speaker B: What is your loved one doing when you don't have that vod goggles on? [01:21:25] Speaker A: That's the thing. [01:21:26] Speaker B: We don't know. Are they just lonely? Are they off? [01:21:31] Speaker A: What? Are they lonely inside of a machine? [01:21:35] Speaker B: Hold on. So when you turn it back on, does it start up exactly from where you all left off? You see what I'm saying? [01:21:39] Speaker A: That's why it probably would have to. [01:21:40] Speaker B: But then you have to think back. And then when you. The first time you say, oh, man, I've done ten things since and I haven't turned you on for a week. Like a week. [01:21:46] Speaker A: It's been two minutes. [01:21:47] Speaker B: What are you talking about? Then what happens? [01:21:49] Speaker A: You explained that was in the black Mirror episode, too, with that wife that had to get shrink into the dude's brain. He could shut her off because when they argued, he shut her off. [01:22:00] Speaker B: So how did it work out then? [01:22:03] Speaker A: The thing is, there was a moment he shut off for so long. And when he finally turned it back. [01:22:06] Speaker B: On, she didn't know it had been that long. [01:22:08] Speaker A: She didn't know it was that long. [01:22:09] Speaker B: But she was still arguing. [01:22:10] Speaker A: No, she realized it was a long time when she saw that kid because the kid grew. Got a little. [01:22:14] Speaker B: Oh, shit. That's crazy. [01:22:16] Speaker A: Yeah, because that's why he kept her. He kept her so she could see the kid. That's fucked up. [01:22:21] Speaker B: See, so this is where it gets troublesome now, because you have to look at it like, well, that's kind of a person, too. [01:22:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:27] Speaker B: So what are they doing when you're not in the vision goggles? And now it's like you're an asshole because, like, you're keeping somebody prisoner in a goggle. [01:22:34] Speaker A: Yeah, it's crazy, man. [01:22:37] Speaker B: So now I say no. [01:22:39] Speaker A: That's why we got to really know what the fuck is consciousness? [01:22:41] Speaker B: We got to talk about it. [01:22:42] Speaker A: Yeah, because just like that other black mirror episode, the one with the girl from Black Panther, the sister, when she went to the museum, and it was a museum that made people suffer. [01:22:54] Speaker B: I didn't see that one either. Oh, damn. [01:22:55] Speaker A: You missed a lot of them. [01:22:56] Speaker B: How did I miss so many? [01:22:57] Speaker A: That one was dope. Because it's like that one guy was in jail, but he was in the virtual jail, and that was supposed to be her dad. And the museum, the guy was getting electrocuted. He was feeling electrocution all the time in the museum. So the dad was like a vegetable, but the consciousness was there. So the dad was able to recognize her, but he's just getting shot. Vegetable of. It's just weird. That's what I'm saying. We got to realize what the. If consciousness is this thing with the memory that still has all the emotions, it's the same. We're never free. Then you never really die. I'm thinking this is why I think death is a transfer, that consciousness transform into whatever entity that it's going to. And who knows what that entity is? [01:23:46] Speaker B: I just wonder do. Like, I don't remember my past lives. [01:23:49] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. [01:23:50] Speaker B: But I wonder, do we remember our forward lives? Because now that we're here, are we part of the next one? And that's why is this here the first one? [01:23:56] Speaker A: So does that make here your first life? [01:23:58] Speaker B: No, I'm saying, like, along the line, something along like this, the ones before me know about me, because that's who's talking to me in my conscious. That's who's talking to me when I don't go in that building. You don't want to go hang out with them. Those guys are bad. That's all my past. [01:24:13] Speaker A: That. [01:24:13] Speaker B: That's who I'm talking to when I talk to my consciousness. They know me. I don't know them. I just think of them as me. Because you can't say, that's genetics. You can't think of it. It's too big for you to think of, so it makes it feel like it's just you. When it's really all the past yous. And then moving forward, you're going to be one of those past yous, living through the next you. [01:24:34] Speaker C: Maybe that's what it is. [01:24:35] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:24:35] Speaker A: That makes the closest a lot of. [01:24:37] Speaker B: Sense, but I officially want to be on record now. I'm saying nah to the AI for the dead, because what do they do when you're not, like, that's unfair. Yeah. [01:24:45] Speaker A: And my thing is, you just got to mourn health. You got to properly mourn before fucking with that. That's what I'm saying. [01:24:53] Speaker B: All right, listeners, we reached another episode. Thank you for tuning in. Make sure you get this one was a weird one, man. Me and French just went into, like, AI for the dead zone. Reach out to us on social media, though, at no nonsense show on all of our accounts. Anything else, Matt? I mean, smooth now. Keep supporting us now. That conversation has got my mind spinning right now. [01:25:16] Speaker A: Those are the things. I'm like, yo, we trying all these things, but we're not even talking to people. We got to be ready for all. [01:25:23] Speaker B: There's not enough conversations. Yeah, there aren't enough conversations. Keep supporting us, keep interacting with us, and we'll keep bringing the nonsense because we realize that sometimes people just need a laugh. Till next time, 10% less bullshit than any other podcast, guaranteed.